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  • You've beat me to it! I'm sat in the departure lounge at LHR reading this and pissing myself - and getting some funny looks in to the bargain! I had an entry for the good Baron already formatted and ready for posting but decided against it due to... legal issues? I've still got it filed... somewhere. Watch this space. Buck Felize 15:52, 17 September 2008 (BST)
  • C'mon. Could do with a laugh. Secondly, don't you get funny looks wherever you go? =o) --Ritch 10:45, 19 September 2008 (BST)

Re: "Shortt rented the gym at RM Deal for unarmed combat training at weekends"

In a letter dated Feb. 2, 1982, the commandant of RM Deal wrote that he allowed the "Ju Jitsu Training Team (or Services Training Team as it was until the Royal Marines suggested it was changed)...because it is Corporal Finan's base and service persons attending the weekends can use our mess facilities."

Re: "Household Division Centralised Courses (1982-1987)"

There is a letter dated Oct. 13, 1986, from a captain in "Household Division Centralised Courses, Guards Depot, Alexander Barracks, Pirbright, Woking, Surrey, GU24 0DT" which thanks "Jim" for "laying on such an interesting talk and demonstration last Friday."

--Byronik 14:18, 20 September 2008 (BST)

Re: "There are certainly ACF detachments affiliated to the Parachute Regiment who wear the cap-badge but there are no SAS cadets."

There actually used to be a 21 SAS "Artists Rifles" cadet drill hall on Bedford Road, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, well into the 1970s. I used to walk past it every night, taking my girlfriend home from the pub. But Shortt makes no claim to have had anything to do with it.

--Byronik 01:19, 21 September 2008 (BST)

Re: SAS cadets

Really? Well I never... you don't happen to know what cap-badge they wore? The ACF det at Duke of Yorks in the 80s had a lot of contact with 21 but they wore the old QVR cap-badge on a rifle green beret, IIRC.

Re: "Royal Marine Commando Forces - Consultant (1976-1982)"

That letter of Feb. 2, 1982, mentions that Shortt's Ju Jitsu Training Team, "a proper civilian club affiliated to the British Ju Jitsu Association" had "assisted in training the Royal Marines Special Boat Services qualifying courses" as well as the USAF Security Police at RAF Alconbury because "the CQB Course does fill a gap which the MOD courses cannot."

--Byronik 05:12, 24 September 2008 (BST)

  • I am not aware that the US DoD (or the MoD for that matter) have ever utilised civilian clubs to 'fill gaps' in USAF training requirements. They fly in their own fcuking burgers FFS! Do you seriously think that the most powerful nation on Earth would bother hiring the Alconbury Mah Jong Club to get their SPs up to speed on self-defence and C&R? I worked with SPs at Greenham and NOT ONE mentioned being trained by anything other than the appropriate body, i.e. USAF. Buck Felize 07:08, 24 September 2008 (BST)

Re: "Royal Marine Commando Forces - Consultant (1976-1982)"

In the interests of accuracy, I suppose I'd better e-mail His Waltship and ask for permission to share the Feb. 2 letter with you. He did say it was sent to me "in confidence and not for dissemination and publication in any shape or form." And the hostage extraction training at Alconbury was a real feather in his cap when I trained with him in 1981.

--Byronik 08:59, 24 September 2008 (BST)

  • I'm not surprised that Shortt has done some work with various specialist units over the years: they do all keep their eyes and ears open for new techniques and groups like those that Shortt has belonged to are just as likely to come up with something worthwhile as anyone else. I recall that one unit which I have some knowledge of invited several leading 'Practical Pistol' competitors to do some training with them in order to see whether they had anything to add to the mix, but it would be a long, long stretch to describe them as 'consultants'.


  • It would be worthwhile considering re-naming this page as simply 'James Shortt', as it will be better Google food. Buck Felize 17:19, 3 October 2008 (BST)
  • What about a James Shortt page with a redirect to this page ... a 2fer and a neat crossfire! --Rabid Hams 17:45, 3 October 2008 (BST)
  • Erm... that's slightly outside of my ability envelope! The other thing that's been nagging me is the two 'T's in the baronial title. There should be only one. It's Jim's surname that has two. I was thinking of rationalising the page with either the correct spellung or a total re-name. Buck Felize 18:52, 3 October 2008 (BST)
  • Done! its a #REDIRECT then the linked page. --Rabid Hams 20:11, 3 October 2008 (BST)
  • Aye, I tried that, but the preview didn't show it as a redirect, so I scrapped the idea. Buck Felize 20:23, 3 October 2008 (BST)
  • Kinell! That's ace that is! : ) Buck Felize 20:24, 3 October 2008 (BST)
  • ... and now I've gone and fucked it up by changing the spelling. Hilfe! Buck Felize 20:31, 3 October 2008 (BST)
  • Seems to have sorted itself out. Now restored to instant re-direct. Buck Felize 21:06, 3 October 2008 (BST)
  • Just a small query to the additional info on his para claims, should it not be Sandy_Boots instead of Dusty_Boots?--Niner domestic 14:23, 25 October 2008 (BST)
  • I've had a good sort through the page, trying to put everything into a logical order and adding a bit more explanatory material.--Chickenpun
  • Can we add a section of his "dressing for success" pictures? I posted 13 of them on the thread (around page 155) - there's more on the martial arts site --Niner domestic 05:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Whilst there might be copyright issues (like that's a bother), I think they need to be preserved for posteriority before they all magically disappear. I think quality rather than quantity though, as there's some multiplication. Buck Felize 08:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Suspected siting ... relevant/interesting or no?

The photo of Shortt with the SAS beret and the moustache reminded me of an incident back in 1976, and in retrospect this could well have been the guy ... our school CCF detachment was on annual camp at St Martin's Plain Camp, near Folkestone. At some point, a geezer looking very much like Shortt in that picture materialized pretty well out of thin air and introduced himself to our detachment CO (aka head of the school woodwork dept) as being a member of the SAS at a loose end and willing to assist with training. Unfortunately can't remember what he taught us (obviously made a lasting impression) but I do recall he spent at least one night in the NCO's room of one of our huts (claiming that as a regular soldier he wasn't allowed to share a room with cadets!!) At some point he disappeared, and we were told on parade next morning that he'd been identified as an imposter (don't think the term "walt" had been coined back then). No idea what happened to him.

So my question ... is this "suspected sighting" worth adding to the page, and if so how/where? Flaggie 09:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Martial arts

some notes here that might be of use ... here --Rabid Hams 19:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)