ZanuNL unravelling - Labour considers suicide election

#1
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The Scotsman said:
Labour considers 'suicide' election
Published Date: 27 July 2008
By Eddie Barnes
Political Editor

PANICKING Labour ministers are considering a 'suicide election' to give the party a fresh start under a new leader, following their humiliating defeat at the hands of the SNP in the Glasgow East by-election.
Senior figures disillusioned with Gordon Brown want a senior Cabinet minister to take over the party leadership and head immediately to the polls either this autumn or next spring, even if defeat is the likely option.

They believe such a move would be better than Brown clinging on to office until 2010 when, they fear, the party would face a wipe-out on the scale of that inflicted on the Tories by Labour in 1997. Jack Straw, the Lord Chancellor, is being touted as the ideal stop-gap leader.

There were claims last night that MPs close to Straw were actively seeking support on behalf of the Justice Secretary.

One Labour MP is reported as claiming that backbencher George Howarth had told him Straw was "ready to tell Gordon that the game was up" so long as he had enough backing.

The Justice Secretary's spokesman insisted last night, however, that Straw had "not sanctioned this behaviour", adding that MPs needed to "calm down" over the crisis.

One minister said: "The worst case scenario for the Labour Party is that we carry on with Gordon as leader and then have an election at the time of his choosing.

"If we got rid of him and went for an immediate option, that would still be a better result for us than waiting for him. There is no one in the Labour Party who is capable of running the party worse than him."

"This isn't about Gordon any more," said another senior party figure. "This is about the Labour Party and the number of people who are looking at their jobs."

Other reports suggested one contender for the job, James Purnell, had formed a pact with Foreign Secretary David Miliband, promising not to stand in his way if Miliband stood following a Brown resignation.

One senior Scottish party figure said of the 'suicide' option: "We get it over now and we don't allow the Tories to build a swing like the one we had in 1997. The way things are going, we are heading for a Tory Party victory on the scale of 1997."

Last night, one Government source opposed to Brown said: "The Cabinet now has to do something. What is Alistair Darling going to do and what is Jack Straw going to do? We have to get rid of him. There is no support for him staying."

Those who back deposing Brown say that, even if they were to lose the snap election, it would be better than staying on in power. They say David Cameron's Conservatives would be forced into power without having prepared enough for the tough economic times ahead.

The panic move has gained credence after Labour's stunning slide was confirmed when the party lost Glasgow East, its 25th safest seat in Britain, to the SNP by 365 votes.

Labour MPs south of the border are thought to be demanding that the party effectively gives up on Scotland and sets about trying to win back middle England.

Sources close to the Prime Minister claimed that plotters were effectively throwing in the towel to the Tories.

Brown is coming under increasing pressure to provide an immediate package of economic relief. Union leaders who gathered at the party's national forum in Warwick yesterday declared their backing for a windfall tax on energy companies whose profits have increased as prices have risen.

More bad news for Brown came last night in an opinion poll which showed Labour trailing in third place among voters in the Tories' top 30 target constituencies. The survey, carried out by analysts CrosbyTextor, saw Labour slump to just 17% – 24 points behind the Tories and one worse off than the Lib Dems.

It is a disastrous turnaround for the governing party, which had a six point lead in the same poll a year ago, when Brown was enjoying a honeymoon period as a new PM.
:roll: ... a successful mass suicide attempt by the government might well improve the morale of the nation.
 
#2
I think that Brown will call an election if it looks as though he is going to be depose. He has waited so long for the top job that it will be hard to admit that he can't do it (although Bliar may have been under pressure if he was still i/c but he knew when to go) and since he is such a vindictive person he will want to take a few down with him.
 
#3
Outfookinstanding
The sooner the bufoon is out of office the better for the country. If he is allowed to stay another two years the damage he will inflict will be a disaster.
Better he is ousted now while there is some hope of salvaging the nation.
 
#5
How very noble of them, to consider falling on there swords. Certainly would inprove my moral. However i think that the party realise its going to get worse they cannot fix it or the nation, and want someone else in the driving seat to blame.

Proving that there is no honour amongst thieves, or much of labour.
 
#6
It reminds me of an old episode of the new statesmen with Rik Mayall as a tory MP. Labour are pretty much dead and buried and can't win, the Tories are in the driving seat but won't want to be in charge whilst the country goes into a recession and the Lib Dems weren't really being serious about wanting to run the country :lol:
 
#7
Hmm Jack Straw. There's a choice of 'stopgap'. A simple one-for-one exchange of one tw@t for another usless and inept mong. I would've had my money on one of the evil Miliband twins for a fresh ZANULabour fuhrer. The sad thing is that CMD is incapable of any better.
 
#8
Cyclops must stay and for as long as possible.

Labour know they would lose an election this autumn but the party would survive and Cameron would have to deal with Browns economic chickens that will be coming home to roost over the next two years.

An election in 2 years time and Labour will be annihilated electorally to such an extent that the party will die. The Lib Dems will be the opposition.

The down side will be Labour's scorched earth policy and running up a massive debt to hand over to the conservatives. But that too may have a positive outcome - the end of the welfare state in its current form.
 
#9
Now if they were all going to commit suicide they could do it publically and sell tickets , no need for stealth taxes then. I feel certain most of the country would be willing to pay to see the bastards diving on their swords
 
#10
sandy_boots said:
The down side will be Labour's scorched earth policy and running up a massive debt to hand over to the conservatives. But that too may have a positive outcome - the end of the welfare state in its current form.
2 years if they went tomorrow the scorched earth they have left on top of the credit crunch which has yet to reach its peak! IMHO.


They want out big time even if santa gave One Eye a big fat credit line it wont stop the recesion hiting us. the whole global economic situation is slightly 8O out of kilter to say the least.

The amount of bad debt that has been sold resold and then under writen by both the developed and developing nations is mahoosive.

One Eye has emptied the cupboards, the state has sold off its strategic assets, and has nothing else to sell and in these times who is going to realy give out anything on the slate. Apart from may be santa :wink:
 
#11
sandy_boots said:
Cyclops must stay and for as long as possible.

Labour know they would lose an election this autumn but the party would survive and Cameron would have to deal with Browns economic chickens that will be coming home to roost over the next two years.

An election in 2 years time and Labour will be annihilated electorally to such an extent that the party will die. The Lib Dems will be the opposition.

The down side will be Labour's scorched earth policy and running up a massive debt to hand over to the conservatives. But that too may have a positive outcome - the end of the welfare state in its current form.
I certainly agree with the sentiments, but in two years the Army will be down to a Corporal's Guard if Broon has his way. So maybe now is better.
 
#12
I am in favour of an immediate election. Gordon's current strategy is clearly:

1.Keep borrowing at an ever increasing rate.

2.Hand a bankrupt country over to the Conservatives.

3.Scream “Tory cuts” as the Conservatives struggle under the debt burden.

4.Rely on a large portion of the electorate being too stupid to understand who got the country into the mess.

5.Win the election after next, because of the hardship caused by the Conservatives paying off the debt Labour ran up.

The worrying thing is that this is actually a workable strategy. No sane person voted Labour at the last election, so there are a lot of lunatics out there who could well vote Labour in 7 years time.
 
#13
sandy_boots said:
An election in 2 years time and Labour will be annihilated electorally to such an extent that the party will die. The Lib Dems will be the opposition. quote]

A bit hasty perhaps? What makes you think is the the case. I mean...seriously?

8O
 
#14
sandy_boots said:
Cyclops must stay and for as long as possible.

Labour know they would lose an election this autumn but the party would survive and Cameron would have to deal with Browns economic chickens that will be coming home to roost over the next two years.

An election in 2 years time and Labour will be annihilated electorally to such an extent that the party will die. The Lib Dems will be the opposition.

The down side will be Labour's scorched earth policy and running up a massive debt to hand over to the conservatives. But that too may have a positive outcome - the end of the welfare state in its current form.
Can remember all the same sentiments almost word for word in 95,96
 
#15
Well nice to see that ministers are under estimating their party's capabilities:

"There is no one in the Labour Party who is capable of running the party worse than him."
There most certainly are labour members capable of running the party (and the country) worse, but we certainly don't want to give them the chance. The sooner the whole lot are gone, the better.
 
#16
UK is either in or about to enter a recession.
A Suicide election would make sense as long term Labour strategy.
A large section of the electorate still believe the UK economy was on the way down when Labour took over back in 97. Brown was never willing to admit he took over a recovering economy.
There is much pain to come for the man in the street and i do think it will be ten or more years before the UK economy is sorted out.
That is ten years if there is a Leader capable of Leading the Nation on a higher the average PM level.
I do not see such a person in UK Politics today.
john
 
#17
rockape34 said:
HERE
The Scotsman said:
Labour considers 'suicide' election
Published Date: 27 July 2008
By Eddie Barnes
Political Editor

PANICKING Labour ministers...

Those who back deposing Brown say that, even if they were to lose the snap election, it would be better than staying on in power. They say David Cameron's Conservatives would be forced into power without having prepared enough for the tough economic times ahead.

...when Brown was enjoying a honeymoon period as a new PM.
:roll: ... a successful mass suicide attempt by the government might well improve the morale of the nation.
Nice to see they've got the concerns of the nation at heart. Letting the country fall over and shifting the blame to the next guy, just so you can have another go in ten years, is hardly a viable method. It's all well and good watching the Tories struggle, but while their struggling we're all sliding further and further into the sh*t.

Very caring of them. Cnuts.
 
#18
rockape34 said:
HERE
The Scotsman said:
Labour considers 'suicide' election
Published Date: 27 July 2008
By Eddie Barnes
Political Editor

PANICKING Labour ministers are considering a 'suicide election' to give the party a fresh start under a new leader, following their humiliating defeat at the hands of the SNP in the Glasgow East by-election.
Senior figures disillusioned with Gordon Brown want a senior Cabinet minister to take over the party leadership and head immediately to the polls either this autumn or next spring, even if defeat is the likely option.
...
:roll: ... a successful mass suicide attempt by the government might well improve the morale of the nation.
Politicians. No interest in anything but what is good for them. From the comments it looks as though Scotland is likely to break from the union. The repercussions of Labour policy are not looking good to me.
 
#19
BrunoNoMedals said:
rockape34 said:
HERE
The Scotsman said:
Labour considers 'suicide' election
Published Date: 27 July 2008
By Eddie Barnes
Political Editor

PANICKING Labour ministers...

Those who back deposing Brown say that, even if they were to lose the snap election, it would be better than staying on in power. They say David Cameron's Conservatives would be forced into power without having prepared enough for the tough economic times ahead.

...when Brown was enjoying a honeymoon period as a new PM.
:roll: ... a successful mass suicide attempt by the government might well improve the morale of the nation.
Nice to see they've got the concerns of the nation at heart. Letting the country fall over and shifting the blame to the next guy, just so you can have another go in ten years, is hardly a viable method. It's all well and good watching the Tories struggle, but while their struggling we're all sliding further and further into the sh*t.

Very caring of them. Cnuts.
That is exactly what i was going to say.

You can almost see it at the Labour party conference in 8 years time. The new party leader is addressing his public from his chair and stroking a white cat.
" The Tories are weak, they cannot revive the collapsed economy, our cunning plan to drop them right in it is working! The average British citizen is too stupid (or too recently established in his new homeland) to remember what we did. At the next election my friends we shall sweep the board. We shall crush them. We shall once again be in control. We shall be in total power, and my dark reign can begin MWAHHAHAHAHA!"
 
#20
And that fateful day in 1997 was Emperor Mong's finest moment

EM "tick the box, minion!"

Electorate: "This Box?"

EM: "yes that fcuking box you buffoon, the one marked Labour!"

Electorate:" but labour are a bunch of socialist cun............."

EM: "SILENCE! the labour party are going to fcuk the country but the pubs are open so tick the fcukin box and do not question me again!"

Electorate:"Okey dokey your highness"

EM: "Mwahhh ha ha ha ha"
 

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