"You're a poo-poo head!"..."No, you're a poo-poo head" - Sticky for handbag swinging

But yes been on morphine in hospital though, it was shite, doesn't kill the pain at all, you just stop thinking about it, didn't realise that was the same :)

It's not something I'd like try put it that way
Morphine and heroin aren't quite the same thing. Morphine is the basic compound which actually produces an effect in the brain. The issue is that morphine doesn't move from the bloodstream into the brain particularly effectively.

If you take morphine and stick two acetyl groups on it you get diacetylmorphine (hence 'diamorphine' in medical use), better known as heroin, which crosses the blood-brain barrier much faster so you get a quicker and more intense effect. Once the heroin is inside the brain the acetyl groups are removed and the morphine gets to work on the opioid receptors.

Codeine is the opposite - introducing two methyl groups onto morphine reduces the ability to enter the brain so codeine produces a less intense effect. Hence why you can buy codeine over the counter but not morphine or heroin.

There's a whole range of opiate morphine derivatives (oxycodone etc.) which have a minor chemical tweak to the basic morphine structure. There are also synthetic opioids which are structurally unrelated to morphine but work on the same receptors and so produce similar effects. Tramadol and fentanyl are fairly well known examples.

Edit - turns out memory is playing tricks on me. Codeine only has one methyl group and is first metabolised in the liver to morphine which then crosses the blood-brain barrier.
 
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I had 3 weeks of intravenous morphine back in 2003 (medevaced to Birmingham from Cyprus) - after 11 days of constipation I had to stop eating (no room). Finally relieved by a lovely Jamaican lady with an enema. Made my eyes water.
I just had a flashback to Trainspotting when Mark Renton tried to quit his habbit and had to use the worst toilet in Scotland as the constipation suddenly stopped.
 

Euclid

War Hero
It’s a bit like whisky. If you only drink expensive, 12 year malts it’s not addictive in anyway, doesn’t give you a hangover and passes through the liver like water.

It’s only if you drink Bell’s that you become a raging alky.
 
One of my neighbours in Manchesters had a daughter who was an addict. She was quite tasty but a bit young for me. At the time I was about 35 and she was 19 - 20.

Did the whole thing and went from dropping a couple of E's at a nightclub, then pot, then coke, then full on H.

She robbed her parents blind to get the money for her habit, even tried to sell her dad's car at one point.

They tried everything to get her off it, including bringing her home and locking her in the house. She climbed out through the kitchen window and scarpered. Then a couple of sessions in rehab then she was turning tricks.

Last I heard she was in a squat in Salford but that was about 15 years ago and she's probably dead by now.

And that is why I hate drug dealers.
 
One of my neighbours in Manchesters had a daughter who was an addict. She was quite tasty but a bit young for me. At the time I was about 35 and she was 19 - 20.

Did the whole thing and went from dropping a couple of E's at a nightclub, then pot, then coke, then full on H.

She robbed her parents blind to get the money for her habit, even tried to sell her dad's car at one point.

They tried everything to get her off it, including bringing her home and locking her in the house. She climbed out through the kitchen window and scarpered. Then a couple of sessions in rehab then she was turning tricks.

Last I heard she was in a squat in Salford but that was about 15 years ago and she's probably dead by now.

And that is why I hate drug dealers.
You should have bought whatever she was selling, you can get some good deals from smackheads, they are desperate for cash.
 
I can't see the tattoo (s)
Yeah, kind of weird how they are not seen, then they are. I am sure it is all down to questionable angles and mirror flipped photography.
 
You should have bought whatever she was selling, you can get some good deals from smackheads, they are desperate for cash.
Except that her parents were good neighbours. Her dad stopped a bunch of scrotes breaking into my garage one night.

I'd have cheerfully shagged her, but by the time she was about 23, I'd have wanted full NBC gear to prevent catching something off her.

Total waste of a life, had a massive effect on her parents who were pretty respectable people. Her mum had a nervous breakdown, IIRC that was the 2nd or 3rd time they got her back home after being hospitalised for O/D-ing on some seriously bad sh!t.

Did I mention that I hate drug dealers?
 

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Although heroin addiction does not begin after just one use, as many people believe, the pleasurable feelings that it induces can motivate people to use it again. A physical and psychological dependence on heroin may actually take a while to set in, during which time the user will probably think that they have their use under control. However, as tolerance to the drug starts to go up, they will need to take more of it, and more frequently, to feel the same effects.

For this reason, a heroin user is often already an addict before they even realise that there is a problem.

Not a thing to **** about with .
I certainly agree that smack is not to be fücked with, unless you have a good idea of what you're doing. You're also right that addiction doesn't start with one dose. In fact, you can use smack for about six weeks and the "come-down" symptoms will be fairly mild. However, the longer you use it, the worse the cold turkey becomes. On the other hand, getting weaned off smack is a matter of five or six days of 60 to 80 ml of Methadone and that's it. No fuss, no struggle and no adverse symptoms. Doing it without Methadone means five or six days of severe leg-twitches, constantly streaming eyes, sleepless nights, the writhing wildshites, every cold you ever avoided coming home and being unable to stand the smell of your own body.

The first thing that will happen when you take smack for the first time is that you'll puke, although it's a fairly laid-back puke, and your nose will itch like crazy. After that, you quickly get used to it. It's not for nothing that smack is known as the finest anti-depressant in the world.

There's a lot of unhelpful shite shot about smack. Folks see the sad and ragged figures in alleyways and believe that all smack users are that way, but that's not the case by far. They actually represent only something like five percent of all smack users. Those you don't see are the high-up police officers, architects, judges, lawyers, MPs, artists, CEOs and other members of "high society" who only jag to hang in the privacy of their mansions. They form the vast majority of smack users and they support the theory that it's possible to be a useful member of society as long as you have a steady supply of the drug.

That was also the case after WWI, when thousands of soldiers became addicted after receiving treatment for battle wounds. They went along to their local doctor (who was very often similarly addicted), got their "shot" and were OK for one or two days. Some of those folks lived like that for 30 or 40 years, with no ill effects. So what's not to like?

MsG
 
I certainly agree that smack is not to be fücked with, unless you have a good idea of what you're doing. You're also right that addiction doesn't start with one dose. In fact, you can use smack for about six weeks and the "come-down" symptoms will be fairly mild. However, the longer you use it, the worse the cold turkey becomes. On the other hand, getting weaned off smack is a matter of five or six days of 60 to 80 ml of Methadone and that's it. No fuss, no struggle and no adverse symptoms. Doing it without Methadone means five or six days of severe leg-twitches, constantly streaming eyes, sleepless nights, the writhing wildshites, every cold you ever avoided coming home and being unable to stand the smell of your own body.

The first thing that will happen when you take smack for the first time is that you'll puke, although it's a fairly laid-back puke, and your nose will itch like crazy. After that, you quickly get used to it. It's not for nothing that smack is known as the finest anti-depressant in the world.

There's a lot of unhelpful shite shot about smack. Folks see the sad and ragged figures in alleyways and believe that all smack users are that way, but that's not the case by far. They actually represent only something like five percent of all smack users. Those you don't see are the high-up police officers, architects, judges, lawyers, MPs, artists, CEOs and other members of "high society" who only jag to hang in the privacy of their mansions. They form the vast majority of smack users and they support the theory that it's possible to be a useful member of society as long as you have a steady supply of the drug.

That was also the case after WWI, when thousands of soldiers became addicted after receiving treatment for battle wounds. They went along to their local doctor (who was very often similarly addicted), got their "shot" and were OK for one or two days. Some of those folks lived like that for 30 or 40 years, with no ill effects. So what's not to like?

MsG
Take the rest of the month off, there's a good chap.
 
Take the rest of the decade off, there's a good chap.
Fixed FOC

There's a lot of unhelpful shite shot about smack. Folks see the sad and ragged figures in alleyways and believe that all smack users are that way, but that's not the case by far. They actually represent only something like five percent of all smack users. Those you don't see are the high-up police officers, architects, judges, lawyers, MPs, artists, CEOs and other members of "high society" who only jag to hang in the privacy of their mansions. They form the vast majority of smack users and they support the theory that it's possible to be a useful member of society as long as you have a steady supply of the drug.

That was also the case after WWI, when thousands of soldiers became addicted after receiving treatment for battle wounds. They went along to their local doctor (who was very often similarly addicted), got their "shot" and were OK for one or two days. Some of those folks lived like that for 30 or 40 years, with no ill effects. So what's not to like?

MsG
Complete and unmitigated sh!te.
Against all medical evidance. Oh, sorry I forgot Dr Bogsy is a medical expert and drugs specialist.
 
I certainly agree that smack is not to be fücked with, unless you have a good idea of what you're doing. You're also right that addiction doesn't start with one dose. In fact, you can use smack for about six weeks and the "come-down" symptoms will be fairly mild. However, the longer you use it, the worse the cold turkey becomes. On the other hand, getting weaned off smack is a matter of five or six days of 60 to 80 ml of Methadone and that's it. No fuss, no struggle and no adverse symptoms. Doing it without Methadone means five or six days of severe leg-twitches, constantly streaming eyes, sleepless nights, the writhing wildshites, every cold you ever avoided coming home and being unable to stand the smell of your own body.

The first thing that will happen when you take smack for the first time is that you'll puke, although it's a fairly laid-back puke, and your nose will itch like crazy. After that, you quickly get used to it. It's not for nothing that smack is known as the finest anti-depressant in the world.

There's a lot of unhelpful shite shot about smack. Folks see the sad and ragged figures in alleyways and believe that all smack users are that way, but that's not the case by far. They actually represent only something like five percent of all smack users. Those you don't see are the high-up police officers, architects, judges, lawyers, MPs, artists, CEOs and other members of "high society" who only jag to hang in the privacy of their mansions. They form the vast majority of smack users and they support the theory that it's possible to be a useful member of society as long as you have a steady supply of the drug.

That was also the case after WWI, when thousands of soldiers became addicted after receiving treatment for battle wounds. They went along to their local doctor (who was very often similarly addicted), got their "shot" and were OK for one or two days. Some of those folks lived like that for 30 or 40 years, with no ill effects. So what's not to like?

MsG
I'm beginning to think your entire knowledge of heroin is based on the film Trainspotting. How many times have you seen it?
 
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Those you don't see are the high-up police officers, architects, judges, lawyers, MPs, artists, CEOs and other members of "high society"
May I have a little proof of that please.
 
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Those you don't see are the high-up police officers, architects, judges, lawyers, MPs, artists, CEOs and other members of "high society" who only jag to hang in the privacy of their mansions.
You know this because those are exactly the type of people who would socialise with a decrepit, smelly, old liar who lives in a hovel?
 

Winnet

Old-Salt
I certainly agree that smack is not to be fücked with, unless you have a good idea of what you're doing. You're also right that addiction doesn't start with one dose. In fact, you can use smack for about six weeks and the "come-down" symptoms will be fairly mild. However, the longer you use it, the worse the cold turkey becomes. On the other hand, getting weaned off smack is a matter of five or six days of 60 to 80 ml of Methadone and that's it. No fuss, no struggle and no adverse symptoms. Doing it without Methadone means five or six days of severe leg-twitches, constantly streaming eyes, sleepless nights, the writhing wildshites, every cold you ever avoided coming home and being unable to stand the smell of your own body.

The first thing that will happen when you take smack for the first time is that you'll puke, although it's a fairly laid-back puke, and your nose will itch like crazy. After that, you quickly get used to it. It's not for nothing that smack is known as the finest anti-depressant in the world.

There's a lot of unhelpful shite shot about smack. Folks see the sad and ragged figures in alleyways and believe that all smack users are that way, but that's not the case by far. They actually represent only something like five percent of all smack users. Those you don't see are the high-up police officers, architects, judges, lawyers, MPs, artists, CEOs and other members of "high society" who only jag to hang in the privacy of their mansions. They form the vast majority of smack users and they support the theory that it's possible to be a useful member of society as long as you have a steady supply of the drug.

That was also the case after WWI, when thousands of soldiers became addicted after receiving treatment for battle wounds. They went along to their local doctor (who was very often similarly addicted), got their "shot" and were OK for one or two days. Some of those folks lived like that for 30 or 40 years, with no ill effects. So what's not to like?

MsG

I agree there is a lot of unhelpful shite written about smack.
 

OneTenner

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Book Reviewer
.... Folks see the sad and ragged figures in alleyways and believe that all smack users are that way,...

MsG
I knew I recognised that jacket from somewhere, it was you between the bins outside QMC wasn't it Bogsy?
 
I certainly agree that smack is not to be fücked with, unless you have a good idea of what you're doing. You're also right that addiction doesn't start with one dose. In fact, you can use smack for about six weeks and the "come-down" symptoms will be fairly mild. However, the longer you use it, the worse the cold turkey becomes. On the other hand, getting weaned off smack is a matter of five or six days of 60 to 80 ml of Methadone and that's it. No fuss, no struggle and no adverse symptoms. Doing it without Methadone means five or six days of severe leg-twitches, constantly streaming eyes, sleepless nights, the writhing wildshites, every cold you ever avoided coming home and being unable to stand the smell of your own body.

The first thing that will happen when you take smack for the first time is that you'll puke, although it's a fairly laid-back puke, and your nose will itch like crazy. After that, you quickly get used to it. It's not for nothing that smack is known as the finest anti-depressant in the world.

There's a lot of unhelpful shite shot about smack. Folks see the sad and ragged figures in alleyways and believe that all smack users are that way, but that's not the case by far. They actually represent only something like five percent of all smack users. Those you don't see are the high-up police officers, architects, judges, lawyers, MPs, artists, CEOs and other members of "high society" who only jag to hang in the privacy of their mansions. They form the vast majority of smack users and they support the theory that it's possible to be a useful member of society as long as you have a steady supply of the drug.

That was also the case after WWI, when thousands of soldiers became addicted after receiving treatment for battle wounds. They went along to their local doctor (who was very often similarly addicted), got their "shot" and were OK for one or two days. Some of those folks lived like that for 30 or 40 years, with no ill effects. So what's not to like?

MsG
Thank fuck Herr Google doesn't have the same contempt for you as the rest of the world eh?
 
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