your experiences of atrs

#1
theres some recruit courses coming up in november at grantham and lichfield, just wondering what kind of experiences other have had at these atrs? and if they can recommend if ones better than the other :) cheers
 

jmj

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#2
Your experience will vary depending on the staff running the course, so you should take each persons past experience with an ATR with a pinch of salt.

We've had recruits coming back from some ATRs with nightmare stories followed by others that have had the best two weeks of their lives, just a month or so later.

I personally went to Litchfield (a few years ago now) and had a great time, although the feeling was at the time that there was more emphasis placed on PT there compared to, eg, Grantham. I'm sure others would have a different story.

If you put the effort in and have a section that works as a team, you'll do fine and have a great time, wherever you go.
Enjoy it!

J
 
#3
Thouroughly enjoyed my two weeks, you'll find that the ones returning from ATR's with horror stories are usually the course biff.

At the end of the day, if you can Pass your PFT, CFT, and you are a team player, its an awesome two weeks.
 
#4
Grantham was good for me staff knew what they are teaching inside out all the lessons were run on time. I struggled on my part B but once i got on my part A all the skills i was taught came back straight away plus Grantham has the worlds funniest scotish corpral (ballbags). Its hard going but worth it.
 
#5
Looking back it was not too bad really, didn't always think so at the time, but learned everything I needed to and it all worked out well.

Only thing I will say is that don't be affraid to make a point of not knowing something if it is assumed you do - surprising number of instructors have thought that recruits were already familiar with weapons and so paced lessons accordingly. Same can be said with other areas not covered on Mod1/TAFS/Whatever it is now. Lot of stress for the recruits who didn't know and who didn't want to rock the boat. (Different story for infantry though).

Thouroughly enjoyed my two weeks, you'll find that the ones returning from ATR's with horror stories are usually the course biff.
Assuming that the staff obey the rules/law..
 
#6
Did Lichfield in '05. Loads of PT, but instructors were mint.

Usual score: The more you put in, the more you get out!
 
#7
im off to Lichfield on 8th Sept, only hard thing is being away from kids and missus for 2 weeks

i am looking forward to it, but will also be nervous when i get there too
 
#8
If you are to attend a CMS course at Grantham or any other RTC then take some time to prepare ! ie get your admin sorted you will have a great time if you know what your weak spots are before you go.
You will be grouped with people who will have varied experience from the "Born Green" to the "I thought I would give it a try" so a couple of weeks before you go start a few exercises ie press ups and situps and start running a bit nothing heavy say 5min in one direction a night and then a gentle jog back, think also about your kit and make sure it is pressed and boots polished before you get there, these things will help.
Also make sure you talk to your units training wing and see if they can give a quick run on CBRN and SAA as these are covered in detail at CMS
 
#10
jmj said:
I personally went to Litchfield (a few years ago now) and had a great time, although the feeling was at the time that there was more emphasis placed on PT there compared to, eg, Grantham. I'm sure others would have a different story.
I went to Grantham and do agree with the lack of PT cant remember getting any except what was needed i.e. 1.5 mile run 2 practice CFT and actual CFT. Seemed to spend a lot of time (1½ days) practising for pass off parade.

Maggs84 said:
Grantham has the worlds funniest scotish corpral (ballbags).
All the instructors have a lot of knowledge, and they all work together to provide the best training, I know other atr are also good but I agree with Maggs84 this guy was our Section Commander and he is excellent.
 
#12
darbs said:
Mennox said:
only hard thing is being away from kids and missus for 2 weeks
So what you going to do when you get sent on a 6 month tour? :?
haha yea i will think about that when the time comes....its gonna be hard for me 2 little boys are are mostly for their dad to be away for 2 weeks
 
#15
Mennox said:
darbs said:
Mennox said:
only hard thing is being away from kids and missus for 2 weeks
So what you going to do when you get sent on a 6 month tour? :?
haha yea i will think about that when the time comes....its gonna be hard for me 2 little boys are are mostly for their dad to be away for 2 weeks
They will be ok, just make them proud of you.
 
#16
Having taught both regular and TA troops at an ATR I have to admit I always smirk inwardly when I hear my soldiers (TA) telling stories about how hard it was, and competing to claim their ATR as the most demanding.

There is so much to fit into 2 weeks that I doubt that the CMS(R) courses vary much - the timetable is set and extremely rigid.

Also, given the absolute insistence on conformity among ATRs, from the RTG - instilled at the ITGIS ( Instructors ) Course and maintained by periodical inspections of each training team - I doubt that the application of the training varies a great deal either.

Is the TA fortnight any more intense than a sample fortnight of the regular course? Does it push out a trained soldier comparable to his / her regular counterpart. Hmmm... no, not really.

Nevertheless, a tough course for recruits and one that you should feel proud to pass. Just remember that - even more so than a regular trained soldier - it marks the beginning of your training, not the end!

Best of luck to all of you attending.
 
#17
well said CC - on my recruits course (as it was called back then) when we passed out we were told by the DS "now your training really begins". I thought it was a wind up, but my god was he right!
 
#19
Did Bassingbourn... PT was so light we went out running by ourselves in the evenings because we felt we were missing out on our usual level of training. Most of the instructors were great guys, but they didn't really understand how the TA worked, what TA people were like, and what training we had done beforehand. Sometimes it was like sucking eggs, other times it was assumed that we were experts and just needed a quick test on subjects we had never touched before.

Keep your head up, listen to what's being said, stick with your section, and sort out your admin whenever you have the chance - you'll have a great time.
 
#20
morpcat said:
Did Bassingbourn... PT was so light we went out running by ourselves in the evenings because we felt we were missing out on our usual level of training. Most of the instructors were great guys, but they didn't really understand how the TA worked, what TA people were like, and what training we had done beforehand. Sometimes it was like sucking eggs, other times it was assumed that we were experts and just needed a quick test on subjects we had never touched before.
That was the complete opposite to my experience at ATR(B), my Staff were fully clued up on the TA, one of them had even done about 2 years at ATR(G) teaching solely TA course. Once they found out what the level of knowledge was, they tailored the course accordingly.

And light on PT? Mine certainly wasn't.
 

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