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Young Pilot

#1
I see a 16 year old who was flying solo crashed his plane and died.

Do you think a 16 year old should be allowed to fly solo when you need to be 17 to drive a car. ?
 
#2
johnny said:
I see a 16 year old who was flying solo crased his plane and died.

Do you think a 16 year old should be allowed to fly solo when you need to be 17 to drive a car. ?
Yes. They've been flying solo at 16 for decades and this must be the first such fatality for a long time. Flying teaches them responsibility and independence. And he would not have been allowed to go solo unless the CFI had complete faith in him.

It is terribly sad, and his parents will be distraught, but he died doing something he wanted to do.

Litotes
 
#3
johnny said:
I see a 16 year old who was flying solo crased his plane and died.

Do you think a 16 year old should be allowed to fly solo when you need to be 17 to drive a car. ?
It does seem as though there may have been a problem with the plane - he diverted his plane away from a block of flats and a playground before he crashed - At least the parents can take something away from that. His father was at the flying club and saw it happen - it must be terrible.

I would question whether they should be allowed to fly at that age - but if they're good enough and have parental consent I wouldn't stop them
 
#4
Well, I can't comment on whether his age or experience had any bearing on the accident, but it's a shame. I don't think they should stop 16 year olds flying though.
 
#7
crabby said:
johnny said:
I see a 16 year old who was flying solo crased his plane and died.

Do you think a 16 year old should be allowed to fly solo when you need to be 17 to drive a car. ?
It does seem as though there may have been a problem with the plane - he diverted his plane away from a block of flats and a playground before he crashed - At least the parents can take something away from that. His father was at the flying club and saw it happen - it must be terrible.

I would question whether they should be allowed to fly at that age - but if they're good enough and have parental consent I wouldn't stop them

Somehow I feel the maturity in his decision answers that question
 
#8
Cheers crabby.


Very sad news.

I dont think the age thing has much to do with it. If his instructor thought he was up to the job, he would not have allowed him to go solo. The decision to let your stude go solo is not an easy one, although the old saying of 'if in doubt, there is no doubt' does make it easier. I'm sure his decision would have been that bit more considered too due to his studes age. There are people who are twice his age who I would never allow to go solo!

It will be interesting to read the AAIB report when it comes out.
 
#9
Fifteen hours is damned low though and about the same as a Spitfire pilot being sent up to face the Hun in both wars when things were a lot more desperate.

Brave lad.
 
#10
Awol said:
Fifteen hours is damned low though and about the same as a Spitfire pilot being sent up to face the Hun in both wars when things were a lot more desperate.

Brave lad.
When I was considering an RAF scholarship (I was a very misled and innocent teenager) they offered a 20 hour flying package, at the end of which it was expected for you to have gone solo a couple of times.

A common misunderstanding is on the length of time - pilots in WWII often did go up after as little as 8 hours in their aircraft type, but they had many more hours on other types of aircrafts (although still nowhere near enough)

Any pilot gains my respect for what they do - just don't tell them that or you'd never hear the end of it
 
#11
i just read about this in my local paper, truely sad the bloke only lived 5 minutes away from me and went to the same school as my current bird. Got to give the guy credit by steering away from the block of flats and if anyone has seen the pics he ended up nose straight down.
 
#12
crabby said:
Awol said:
Fifteen hours is damned low though and about the same as a Spitfire pilot being sent up to face the Hun in both wars when things were a lot more desperate.

Brave lad.
When I was considering an RAF scholarship (I was a very misled and innocent teenager) they offered a 20 hour flying package, at the end of which it was expected for you to have gone solo a couple of times.

A common misunderstanding is on the length of time - pilots in WWII often did go up after as little as 8 hours in their aircraft type, but they had many more hours on other types of aircrafts (although still nowhere near enough)

Any pilot gains my respect for what they do -for they surely are gods
I suspect that one would have to be a very switched on cookie in the first place to get an RAF flying scholarship; which means of course that soloing by 20 hours is that much more likely than if one was a member of a private flying club like the lad concerned here.

You're right about those that fly though. :D
 
#14
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air....

Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew -
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

- John Gillespie Magee, Jr

Well done young Captain, you steered your aircraft away from the houses and buildings, you did your best, Requescant In Pace.
 
#15
johnny said:
I see a 16 year old who was flying solo crased his plane and died.

Do you think a 16 year old should be allowed to fly solo when you need to be 17 to drive a car. ?
At 14 years old
You can drive a tractor on farmland
You can ride a horse on the road without wearing a riding hat

At 15 years old
You can possess a shotgun certificate

At 16 years old
You can leave school
You can have a full time job if you have officially left school - you can't work full time until the last Friday in June, even if you have turned 16 before this.
You can sell scrap metal
You can become a street-trader
You can leave home (with your parents or guardians permission)
You can get married (with your parents or guardians permission)
You can apply for your own passport
You can claim social security benefits in your own right
You can join a trade union
You can get a National Insurance Number
You can choose your own doctor
You can consent to or refuse dental or medical treatment
You have to pay for prescriptions (except in certain circumstances)
You can go into a pub without an adult (but you cannot buy alcohol)
You can buy liqueur chocolates
You can have consenting sex (including homosexual sex) if you and your partner are both over 16
You can buy the morning after pill
You can drink beer, wine or cider whilst eating a meal in a restaurant or an eating area of a pub, but not in the bar (and you must be accompanied by someone over 18 )
You can bet on the football pools
You can buy lottery tickets and scratch cards
You can buy premium bonds
You can buy aerosol paints
You can buy cigarettes and tobacco
You can join the armed forces with your parents or guardians permission (if you're a boy)
You can open an ISA (Individual Savings Account)
You have to pay adult price for bus or train tickets (some places have concessions for school students)
You can take your driving test (if you're disabled)
You can drive a moped/scooter (up to 50 cc), an invalid carriage and some tractors
You can fly solo in a glider
You can apply for Legal Aid, advice and assistance


Source


And from the CAA.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/SECTION C.pdf

Student pilots may act as Pilot-in-Command from their
16th birthday provided they act only in accordance with
instructions given by a flying instructor, hold a valid
JAR-FCL Medical Certificate and, generally, fly only in
UK territorial airspace. There is no minimum age for
dual instruction, but any received before the age of 14
is not countable towards the experience requirements
specified in this document.


Despite this unfortunate accident, I think it is safer to send a 16 year old solo flying, than sending a 16 year old solo driving.

Why IS this in the RAC section?
 
#16
Only just seen this thread at the risk of anoying a few people I saw the sequence on t.v. looks like he just plain and simple lost control.Sad as it was it does happen. How many times have we heard "the pilot steered his stricken aircraft away from the village school" or the pilot was seen wrestling with the controls. Iask you how close do you have to be to witness that !!ie sitting next to him/her. 16 is fine for a first solo all depends on competence and thats for his instructor to decide. My opinion based on 30 years 10,000 hours flying much of that as a Chief Flying Instr. may not be shared by all and I accept that.!!!!!!
 
#18
Condolences to the family. A terrible loss.

It would appear from the article that it was a forced landing (probably an EFATO at that, looking at Google Earth- Eastwood is right off the end of Rwy 24). I think I would have shat myself if it had happened for real on only my 2nd solo and with only 15hrs total. At any time, it would focus the mind wonderfully. Everyone practices for it, and everyone should have a plan in their heads in case it all goes Pete Tong, but you never get right down into the weeds (where it can get tricky) until you do it for real.

I don't know what the current syllabus and standards are, but (IIRC) under the old 30hr RAF Flying Scholarship (ended in 1993) you were supposed to go solo after 7hrs. If you hadn't gone by 8 (including the ride with the chief instructor), you were chopped. Can't remember the sortie number off the top of my head and my log book is 5,500 miles away. 16 isn't too young. 16yr olds have been going solo in gliders and Self Launched Motor Gliders for donkey's years. The test for the instructor is a simple question- "if it was my son/daughter, would I let them go?"

Edit: (And this is just pure conjecture) I haven't seen the TV report, but Flyinghussar might have a point- as blunt as it might be. Looking at the picture of the wreckage, and consistent with the EFATO theory (just looked at the current weather and the wind is currently blowing down 24) the lad may well have stalled/spun in. It's going to be very easy to take your eye off the ASI when you have v. few hours, you're worrying about not having an engine, you're going through the Fcuking Motor's Stopped drill and you're trying to get the a/c into an unfamiliar, confined space.

(And why IS this in the RAC forum?)
 

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