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Young Muslims want Sharia Law in UK

Invictus_88 said:
Giblets said:
Well it SHOULD bear comparison. If you go to another host country to start a new life, you should swear allegiance to that country. If you don't, why should they protect you with their laws and their armies?

Because freedom is fun? And a flag is just a flag? And kids would resent and rebel against it? Because the whole idea that making people say words and salute a flag actually instils a great pride and loyalty is sheer, unsubstantiated nonsense?

I've never sworn allegiance to this country, and nor do I think I ever shall.

Nor do I ask to be "protected" by the great majority of British laws.

Should I bite????
 

Giblets

War Hero
Brads_REME said:
Invictus_88 said:
Giblets said:
Well it SHOULD bear comparison. If you go to another host country to start a new life, you should swear allegiance to that country. If you don't, why should they protect you with their laws and their armies?

Because freedom is fun? And a flag is just a flag? And kids would resent and rebel against it? Because the whole idea that making people say words and salute a flag actually instils a great pride and loyalty is sheer, unsubstantiated nonsense?

I've never sworn allegiance to this country, and nor do I think I ever shall.

Nor do I ask to be "protected" by the great majority of British laws.

Should I bite????

Go on Brads - BITE!

I have elected to stop swearing and being rude to people on this forum as a gesture of goodwill. I feel however that I can delegate such onerous responsibility to someone who has not taken my vows.

Give it to him with both barrels. :frustrated:
 
What you really have to ask yourselves is....Why do the whites stand for it? Why do the whites stand for being labelled a racist because of their own views and beliefs?

When whites are outspoken with their views, we get the shock, horror, how disgraceful!! Enoch Powell was a prime example. He spoke his mind and was kicked out of the goverment.

How much longer are the white populace of this country going to roll over for their tummies tickling?

Maybe in my lifetime it won't happen that Sharia law will become law in the UK, but sooner or later because of the handwringing brigade in this country, there will be a muslim goverment ( yes people really are that stupid as to vote one in ) and then well........watch out whites!
 

OldSnowy

LE
Book Reviewer
bossyboots said:
What you really have to ask yourselves is....Why do the whites stand for it? Why do the whites stand for being labelled a racist because of their own views and beliefs?

When whites are outspoken with their views, we get the shock, horror, how disgraceful!! Enoch Powell was a prime example. He spoke his mind and was kicked out of the goverment.

How much longer are the white populace of this country going to roll over for their tummies tickling?

Maybe in my lifetime it won't happen that Sharia law will become law in the UK, but sooner or later because of the handwringing brigade in this country, there will be a muslim goverment ( yes people really are that stupid as to vote one in ) and then well........watch out whites!

Whites? DO NOT start confusing Religion and Race - this is NOT a Colour/Race thing as Moslems come in all shapes, sizes, and of course Colours. The woman PC refusing to shake hands with the head of the Met (For which I have some sympathy, altohugh for differnet reasons) is, AFAIK, a 'White' convert.

Keep your racist crap for somewhere else, please.

P.S. It may upset you to learn that Iranians are 'Aryans' - what do you class them as, White, Black, Other?
 
Anothermedalwonderer said:
Actually, she was 6 years old, but he didn't consumate the marriage with Aisha until she was 9.

He didn't really fancy her at first; but she grew on him!

Seriously folks, as mentioned earlier, this multicultural social experiment has clearly failed. The monster created by Frankenstein springs to mind. How does one morally and humanely kill the monster?

Until we shake ourselves out of this liberal, international Socialist and universal human rights mentality, we are doomed to failure and oblivion as a Nation. As also observed earlier, we also have the EU to prevent us from doing the things we need to do, should we ever get round to grasping the nettle.

Regarding the News this morning about the British Council Survey, the link is http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/archive/features/muslims_uk.shtml if I've missed it in another Post.

As I see it, we are a free country and we can't (or shouldn't) control what people think and we must be tolerant of what people say. To my mind, that is the basic minimum and should be as far as we go. We shouldn't be pandering to what are, for now, minorities. By all means make the immigrants feel at home and secure; but within our culture, not theirs. Having their own publicly funded radio is not exactly encouraging integration, is it. Allowing street names and signs in foreign scripts similarly says, stay as you are, we'll fit to you.

My understanding of Shia Islam is that the first allegiance is to Allah, through the teachings of Muhammad, and not the State. I also understand that Islam is a single brotherhood that barely acknowledges national boundaries. That in itself must be a threat to a non Muslim nation state. Left to its own devices, Islam will expand within our shores. If we, as a country, continue to give it aid on the current scale, it will expand more quickly and deeply. I think that for Britain, a nation that has evolved slowly over 2 Millennia, to survive this quiet revolution we must stop aiding and abetting the formation of cultural or communal ghettos. We must, and soon, assert our national values and ideals. Even though I'm an atheist, it must be made clear that this is a country that abides by Christian (C of E, at that) values and the rule of law that has evolved over the centuries. A clear line in the sand.

Devolution hasn't helped and expansion of that could well make it worse. There's clamour for Regional Assemblies (so called antidote to the west Lothian question) to decentralise Government. Well, suppose West Yorkshire becomes a Regional Assembly and has become an Islamic ghetto. Will it have the freedom to assert its own form of government and might that be close to Sharia law? Within a democracy, I think it probably could. Partition anyone?

Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech ( http://www.sterlingtimes.org/powell_speech.doc ) consigned him to the political wildeness at the time and he was branded, harshly I think, a racist. The "prophecy" has been a long time coming, mainly because of the brain washing campaign and the "bending over to accommodate" policies. The stresses are there beneath the surface, though, and the strain will eventually break our passive and tolerant nature. I dread that day. We've seen pi**ed off Serbs and Timoreans. Compared to a pi**ed off Brit, that's nothing.
 

Giblets

War Hero
I'm really sorry if this goes on too long, BUT both Enoch and George Orwell should be counted in the history books as sages, as prophets of our time.

George Orwell was only slightly out on some things, and didn't go far enough in others when he made his predictions. His book 1984 was not merely a work of fiction, it was his prediction of a future for us all based on what he saw planned in his time. He'd seen what even democracy could produce if allowed too much unfettered power; he saw how democracy was something that could easily be abused, and he saw the goals of the men in power, men who were often not elected, let alone in the public eye. The future he saw was inconceivable to people of his generation; it was an insane future. Today, we accept it as normal. Thought crime, cameras watching our every move, history being re-written, using the papers to spread a politicians lie so that a war could be started - the list goes on.

Enoch Powell was a great man of unquestioned learning, and as such, he felt it incumbent upon himself to tell the truth as he saw it. The truth was unpalatable, not because it was outrageous, but because the opposition did not want to have the truth, and their plans made so public. They were also afraid of his capacity for thought, which often outshone theirs as a searchlight to a candle. He predicted roughly what the numbers would be and he predicted there would be ghettos (Oldham, Burnley, Brixton). He also, and rightly predicted that there would be ever mounting hostility, not only from the indigenous population, but the immigrants who would want their own system.

For both men, the future that they saw was unpalatable, insane and wrong.

Today, a majority of British subjects see it as unpalatable and wrong. The only difference is that it is now the 'norm'.
 

Birdy

Old-Salt
I don't believe they would ever bring in Sharia Law in this country but if they did I would have to make myself an immigrant.
The amount of videos I've seen on sites such as Ogrish and the like showing young children having their arm crushed by a lorry because they were stupid to nick something minor.
I would like to mention the fact that one of my mates friend's is a muslim and says he wishes we had Sharia Law here yet he does everything a muslim shouldn't.
 

Green_Homer

War Hero
I'd like to know how they went about asking these people and how many of them actually understood the concept of Sharia Law..

Personally they didn't ask me and I don't want it! As far as I'm concerned it is irrelevant what religion a person is when it comes to the law.
 

ericthellama

War Hero
I can only agree with Loggie and Gibets, however, my concern is that Joe Public will not stand up and be counted. Governments, and I include the EU in that term, have plenty of ways of distracting and oppressing popular opinion and I honestly doubt that the vast majority of the public will react. What we want has become an irrelevance. The tide of political correctness makes most people unwilling to express their opinions publicly. The ballot box, which is the best possible way of showing what you think offers few credible outlets. That Enoch Powell saw it coming is cold comfort.
 

FlakeShag

Old-Salt
I guess the obvious thing to say is that Saudi Arabia is a muslim country, why not live there?

This is just another medevil way of trapping British sub-continent asian kids into being muslim. I think, each country should pass a law, locking religion out of the country, the only way we are going to progress is by forceing them to give it up.

Religion is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of, well, except TCB!!!
 

Boxingmad

Old-Salt
Giblets said:
ericthellama said:
Wrinkles. My aged parent has always banged on about Mr.Powell and so I gave in recently and read a book of his speeches. What he actually said was not racist at all, but forsaw the situation exactly as it is developing. Hopefully, we can avoid the rivers of blood bit but it will be interesting to see how it falls out in the end.

I always used to hold the view that the time would come when Joe Public would stand up and say 'Enough!'. Sadly I fear that Joe Public no longer has the balls. The major political parties no longer offer him a forum and the alternatives have been demonised or marginalised. We will see.

Old Enoch was lambasted, vilified and then binned for speaking as he found. History will not judge him so poorly, which is a sad thing. He should have been listened to.

People who come to this country generally do so as they see the UK as a welcoming place of opportunity. It will only stay that way if people take the culture that made such a place on board.

We don't want ethnic ghettos or multi-culturalism. It doesn't work. It is ONE culture that made this country what it is. Let's not dilute that by having it compete with others.

Powell was a genius; he had the foresight to see what was coming up, and slowly but surely, day by day, his prophetic words look all the more likely. There's trouble afoot, for sure. Powell was the youngest Brigadier in the army, apparently.
 

Boxingmad

Old-Salt
Birdy said:
I don't believe they would ever bring in Sharia Law in this country but if they did I would have to make myself an immigrant.
The amount of videos I've seen on sites such as Ogrish and the like showing young children having their arm crushed by a lorry because they were stupid to nick something minor.
I would like to mention the fact that one of my mates friend's is a muslim and says he wishes we had Sharia Law here yet he does everything a muslim shouldn't.

I have a friend that is a Muslim as well. Like yours, he does everything the Koran tells him not to!
 
Invictus_88 said:
Giblets said:
Well it SHOULD bear comparison. If you go to another host country to start a new life, you should swear allegiance to that country. If you don't, why should they protect you with their laws and their armies?

Because freedom is fun? And a flag is just a flag? And kids would resent and rebel against it? Because the whole idea that making people say words and salute a flag actually instils a great pride and loyalty is sheer, unsubstantiated nonsense?

I've never sworn allegiance to this country, and nor do I think I ever shall.

Nor do I ask to be "protected" by the great majority of British laws.

Ok I will...

WHY For Fukcs sake?

If you dont like it FUKC OFF (I dont care where either)

And do you just like "some" of the laws? Maybe the ones that suit you?

Well I "swore allegiance to this country", and so far still believe in it (if only for my 8 year old daughter to have something to grow up to). Admittedly, Its getting harder with all this talk.

bossyboots said:
What you really have to ask yourselves is....Why do the whites stand for it? Why do the whites stand for being labelled a racist because of their own views and beliefs?

When whites are outspoken with their views, we get the shock, horror, how disgraceful!! Enoch Powell was a prime example. He spoke his mind and was kicked out of the goverment.

How much longer are the white populace of this country going to roll over for their tummies tickling?

Maybe in my lifetime it won't happen that Sharia law will become law in the UK, but sooner or later because of the handwringing brigade in this country, there will be a muslim goverment ( yes people really are that stupid as to vote one in ) and then well........watch out whites!

Please, please dont bring the white/black into this, its much more important than to let it get hijacked by the searchlight guys......
 
Its no big deal.

If you were to ask a bunch of veggies if they would like everyone to be veggie, of course they'd say yes.

And lets not start dragging up that tw@t imperialist wannabe Viceroy Enoch bloody Powell, there aint rivers of blood running in the streets just yet.

Besides the vast majority of the people surveyed were most likely born and brought up here as British citizens, so they aint "foreigners".

As long as they're law-abiding, people can believe whatever they want to believe.
 
bossyboots said:
What you really have to ask yourselves is....Why do the whites stand for it? Why do the whites stand for being labelled a racist because of their own views and beliefs?

When whites are outspoken with their views, we get the shock, horror, how disgraceful!! Enoch Powell was a prime example. He spoke his mind and was kicked out of the goverment.

How much longer are the white populace of this country going to roll over for their tummies tickling?

Maybe in my lifetime it won't happen that Sharia law will become law in the UK, but sooner or later because of the handwringing brigade in this country, there will be a muslim goverment ( yes people really are that stupid as to vote one in ) and then well........watch out whites!

Theres plenty of indigenous white muslims around you thick c*nt.

Why bring race into it?

Any excuse for a xenophobic rant eh?

Well the more you moan, the more you reveal how insecure you are in your own bloody culture then dont it?

W*nker.
 
Taz_786 said:
Its no big deal.

If you were to ask a bunch of veggies if they would like everyone to be veggie, of course they'd say yes.

And lets not start dragging up that tw@t imperialist wannabe Viceroy Enoch bloody Powell, there aint rivers of blood running in the streets just yet.

Besides the vast majority of the people surveyed were most likely born and brought up here as British citizens, so they aint "foreigners".

As long as they're law-abiding, people can believe whatever they want to believe.

I am sorry IT IS A BIG DEAL. Are you saying going veggie is just the same as Sharia?
 

ericthellama

War Hero
Taz, if you read his work, Powell identified that if we continued to allow the inflow of alien cultures that could not (because of numbers), or would not (because of belief) integrate into our society, then we would have a problem. We now have a culture which provides no incentive for immigrants to integrate into mainstream British culture. This could be seen as a problem. I certainly see it as such. If you take the trouble of reading Powells speeches and articles, you will find that he was not racist, but perceptive and very intelligent.
 

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