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Young Muslims want Sharia Law in UK

ericthellama

War Hero
Invictus_88. We have always had those influence and they have added greatly to our nation, but they have been the result of managable immigration from cultures similar to our own. All cultures absorb and adapt. Britain was best described as a race of 'energetic mongrels' in my schoolboy atlas. The difference is that now, the incoming cultures are forming ghettos and failing to integrate, and it makes it harder now since many of those cultures are very different to our own. It's one thing to watch the design of your churches change as they are influenced by the French or Italians, but a step change to see them replaced by mosques. What's happening now are very big changes, in that they cannot be absorbed into our culture easily if at all.
 
Invictus_88 said:
Giblets said:
ericthellama said:
Wrinkles. My aged parent has always banged on about Mr.Powell and so I gave in recently and read a book of his speeches. What he actually said was not racist at all, but forsaw the situation exactly as it is developing. Hopefully, we can avoid the rivers of blood bit but it will be interesting to see how it falls out in the end.

I always used to hold the view that the time would come when Joe Public would stand up and say 'Enough!'. Sadly I fear that Joe Public no longer has the balls. The major political parties no longer offer him a forum and the alternatives have been demonised or marginalised. We will see.

Old Enoch was lambasted, vilified and then binned for speaking as he found. History will not judge him so poorly, which is a sad thing. He should have been listened to.

People who come to this country generally do so as they see the UK as a welcoming place of opportunity. It will only stay that way if people take the culture that made such a place on board.

We don't want ethnic ghettos or multi-culturalism. It doesn't work. It is ONE culture that made this country what it is. Let's not dilute that by having it compete with others.

I'm not too convinced.

Indian takeaways, French styles and Norman churches - in order of antiquity - appear to point away from a history of monoculture and towards one of outside influence.

I88,

Monoculture is not really about the diversity of food, architecture etc. It's about having common standards and values shared by all.

Standards such as:

One government elected democratically, and not the devolved Scottish/Welsh Assemblies, Muslim Council of GB type institutions that, by seeking to further their self interests above the common good, are, bit by bit, fragmenting this nation and providing the fuel for future civil unrest.

A single rule of law applied equitably across the entire nation.

A National Health Service that is truly national.

Public bodies such as the police force that should have a single body to represent all like-members interests, and not the self-seeking, self-serving current constructs like the Black Police Officers Association, who only seek to advance their own position at the expense of everybody else.

The list goes on.

PAW
 
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
I88,

Monoculture is not really about the diversity of food, architecture etc. It's about having common standards and values shared by all.

Standards such as:

One government elected democratically, and not the devolved Scottish/Welsh Assemblies, Muslim Council of GB type institutions that, by seeking to further their self interests above the common good, are, bit by bit, fragmenting this nation and providing the fuel for future civil unrest.

A single rule of law applied equitably across the entire nation.

A National Health Service that is truly national.

Public bodies such as the police force that should have a single body to represent all like-members interests, and not the self-seeking, self-serving current constructs like the Black Police Officers Association, who only seek to advance their own position at the expense of everybody else.

The list goes on.

PAW

Good show, I absolutely agree.

I just worry in that too many people think that a united society means trying to conform to a mythical single culture, when instead it should be conforming to certain key principles like the ones your outline above.

It's a vague sort of line I suppose, but I think people of any culture can conform to the pragmatic principles which are central to the UK; this would make it multicultural, but also united.
 

gennithmedic

War Hero
I don't bregrudge the immigrant who abandons his own country to live here, then ignorantly wishes to bring the mores of his old country over. If I'm honest I could not see myself completely abandoning UK ways if I was to beg my way into someone else's country.

What does grip me is seeing pinko lefties brainwashing UK children into believing that the UK, and it's history, is a vile tale of disaster. False, traitors, miscreants!. And it's not a new thing too. Read Orwell, "The Lion and the Unicorn." (Don't worry it's a short essay.) The left has been destroying the UK from within for 70 years, in order to replace it with a Marxist paradise.
The present row is the reaction of people, who can't afford Private Educashun, to seeing what the pinkos have been up to.
Rounds complete.
 

warrant

Old-Salt
rockape34 said:
here
Young, British Muslims 'getting more radical'
By Graeme Wilson, Political Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:22am GMT 29/01/2007



A bleak picture of a generation of young British Muslims radicalised by anti-Western views and misplaced multicultural policies is shown in a survey published today.

The study found disturbing evidence of young Muslims adopting more fundamentalist beliefs on key social and political issues than their parents or grandparents.


The study found disturbing evidence of young Muslims adopting more fundamentalist beliefs on key social and political issues
Forty per cent of Muslims between the ages of 16 and 24 said they would prefer to live under sharia law in Britain, a legal system based on the teachings of the Koran. The figure among over-55s, in contrast, was only 17 per cent.

In some countries, people found guilty under sharia law face penalties such as beheading, stoning, the severing of a hand or being lashed.

The study, by the Right-wing think-tank Policy Exchange, also found a significant minority who expressed backing for Islamic terrorism.

One in eight young Muslims said they admired groups such as al-Qa'eda that "are prepared to fight the West".

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Turning to issues of faith, 36 per cent of the young people questioned said they believed that a Muslim who converts to another religion should be "punished by death." Among the over 55s, the figure is only 19 per cent.

Three out of four young Muslims would prefer Muslim women to "choose to wear the veil or hijab," compared to only a quarter of over-55s.

Support was also strong for Islamic schools, according to the Populus survey of 1,000 people commissioned by Policy Exchange.

Forty per cent of younger Muslims said they would want their children to attend an Islamic school, compared to only 20 per cent of over-55s.

Britain's foreign policies were a key issue among the Muslim population as a whole, with 58 per cent arguing that many of the world's problems are "a result of arrogant Western attitudes". However, knowledge of foreign affairs was sketchy, with only one in five knowing that Mahmoud Abbas was the Palestinian president.

The findings emerged as David Cameron, the Conservative leader, criticised the Government for trying to "bully" immigrant communities into feeling British by telling them to run up the Union flag in their gardens or spy on their children.

But in a speech today, Mr Cameron will warn the Muslim community that it cannot use the "screen of cultural sensitivity" to deny women their rights.

The Policy Exchange report, Living Together Apart: British Muslims and the Paradox of Multiculturalism — says there is strong evidence of a "growing religiosity" among young Muslims, with an increasing minority firmly rejecting Western life.

Munira Mirza, the broadcaster and one of the authors of the report, argued that multicultural policies pursued by the Government had succeeded in making things worse, rather than better.

She said: "The emergence of a strong Muslim identity in Britain is, in part, a result of multi-cultural policies implemented since the 1980s which have emphasised difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines.

"There is clearly a conflict within British Islam between a moderate majority that accepts the norms of British democracy and a growing minority that does not."

The report also raises questions about the scale of the problems created by Islamophobia, with 84 per cent of those questioned saying they believed they had been "treated fairly" in Britain.

There was also criticism of the decision by some councils to ban Christian symbols in case they offended Muslims or other communities.

Three quarters said it was wrong for a council to have banned an advert for a Christmas carol service.

Shahid Malik, the Muslim Labour MP for Dewsbury, said: "This report makes very disturbing reading and it vindicates the concern many of us have that we're not doing enough to confront this issue."

Baroness Uddin, the Muslim peer, said: "Unlike their parents, our young people feel that this is their country and are saying why are we being told we do not belong here.

"There is also a problem of a lack of opportunities. Some people have been brutalised by their experiences with the police and this war on terror."

In his speech in Birmingham today, Mr Cameron will criticise "simplistic" attempts at community cohesion, such as Gordon Brown's call for people to put up the Union flag.

But he will also challenge elements of the Muslim community for denying women access to work, education, politics and even to mosques.

In a move that will please the Tory Right, Mr Cameron will warn that urgent action must be taken to get a grip of an immigration system that is out of control.

"It's the same whether it's the white grandmother worried about groups of asylum seekers or an unemployed Sikh youngster who sees eastern Europeans filling all the jobs.

"The Government needs to be in control of the situation. We can only live together if there is proper integration.

"And you can't have proper integration if people are coming into Britain at a faster rate than we can cope with."


No thanks my family and there friends both fought in the first and second world war for British people to have the standard of living we have today .Its not that i object to people coming in to the u.k. but please respect our way of living yes we do have freedom of speech up to a certain extent and we have all the freedom which as young Lady's have with our family's and dads blessing.
In the 1960 there were quite a lot of international people coming in to our country who respected the way we live , Now they have children and grandchildren thinking that they can take over our culture and our religion .
sorry to disappoint you but this is a british country where our main language is English and our religion is Christan please respect our country and religion as you would your own culture and religion
 

Lady_H

Old-Salt
Moreso than being angered by this, it makes my blood run cold...

Am I alone on this...
 

sarnian

War Hero
:plotting:

Been a long time, Yannie....

We get one of these sodding threads a week - "Muslim wants xyz to bend over backwards to accommodate him and his imaginary friend's rules." More often than not its reactionary meedja trying to make Daily Mail readers spill their esspresso. On here, the topic lasts for a couple of hours, while people harumph and type something to the effect of "fack off back to where you came from if you don't like it here."

What will it take for the silent majority to sit up and slap these people - first the meedja for deliberately exacerbating the problem, and secondly the Wahabbi types for spouting shi'ite? That's not a rhetorical question, BTW - I'm genuinely interested to hear what people think, rather than to go through six pages of "Fack off to Saudi." Is there going to be a tipping point? are there any decent solutions which take account of the liberal deadlock this county is in?
 
Giblets said:
The only problem I can see with this is that the Prophet Mohammed (on whom Sharia law is based) liked to screw little girls (he married one that was 9 years old). I don't some dirty paedo Muslim anywhere near my daughter/

Actually, she was 6 years old, but he didn't consumate the marriage with Aisha until she was 9.
Not that I would agree with the idea that this makes muslims paedophiles. That was just the way of the Arab tribes back then. It used to be common practice up until the middle ages in this country to marry daughters off when they were 11-12.
 
spiffy said:
Young Muslims want Sharia Law in UK

Older Britons want them to f*ck off

Indeed. I and many other older britons would also like this government to resume the operation of the English common Law, rather than their "rule by special powers" approach.
 

spiffy

War Hero
I see little hope in the 3 mainstream parties doing anything to tackle this problem until it's too late OR they are pushed into it.

I shall be voting BNP at the next election (I don't agree with all their manifesto) because I hope enough people do and it scares the crap out the winning party and they then do something about our mutliculture f*ck up.
 
The USA is a nation built upon immigration, and you can be what ever you want to be and do what you like as long as you abide by the laws of the land and be primarily loyal to your newly adopted country. What's wrong with doing that here?

Can't we all just get along? :meditate:
 

ericthellama

War Hero
The USA is a different bag of kippers. It was formed on immigration. Every morning the little kiddies in theri schools swear allegiance to the flag. Immigrants go there wanting to be Americans. From the very start it was a very diverse culture. Sorry, doesn't bear comparison.
 
ericthellama said:
The USA is a different bag of kippers. It was formed on immigration. Every morning the little kiddies in theri schools swear allegiance to the flag. Immigrants go there wanting to be Americans. From the very start it was a very diverse culture. Sorry, doesn't bear comparison.

My point was we have laws, and immigrants coming should obey them or bugger off. Why does the Gov't feel the need to bend to the whim of every culture in the melting pot of society, in an effort to appease the vocal minority? It's unnecessary and it weakens the Country by undermining the foundation upon which British society is based.
 
spiffy said:
I see little hope in the 3 mainstream parties doing anything to tackle this problem until it's too late OR they are pushed into it.

I shall be voting BNP at the next election (I don't agree with all their manifesto) because I hope enough people do and it scares the crap out the winning party and they then do something about our mutliculture f*ck up.

Not mine mate.....
 
ericthellama said:
The USA is a different bag of kippers. It was formed on immigration. Every morning the little kiddies in theri schools swear allegiance to the flag. Immigrants go there wanting to be Americans. From the very start it was a very diverse culture. Sorry, doesn't bear comparison.

And is that such a bad thing?

the swearing I mean...
 

Giblets

War Hero
ericthellama said:
The USA is a different bag of kippers. It was formed on immigration. Every morning the little kiddies in theri schools swear allegiance to the flag. Immigrants go there wanting to be Americans. From the very start it was a very diverse culture. Sorry, doesn't bear comparison.

Well it SHOULD bear comparison. If you go to another host country to start a new life, you should swear allegiance to that country. If you don't, why should they protect you with their laws and their armies?

It's one thing going for a visit, it's entirely another if you ask to become a citizen of that country. To ask for such, you must be in agreement with their system and want it, why else move there?

The Ugandans came here in the 60's with only the clothes they were wearing. They assimilated, learned the language, understood the rules, worked hard and now do nicely thank you very much. Surely that is the best way to get the most out of your host country. The indigenous population won't hate you for it either.
 
Of the ones asked I wonder how many will still be in favour of it once it is applied to them or a family member. I was surprised to see a large number of Muslims being mentioned in the local rag over the past few years for being convicted of drug dealing and other serious offences. Not sure of the % of them compared to say other ethnic groups etc convicted of similar offences over the same time frame.
 
milsum said:
The USA is a nation built upon immigration, and you can be what ever you want to be and do what you like as long as you abide by the laws of the land and be primarily loyal to your newly adopted country. What's wrong with doing that here?

Can't we all just get along? :meditate:

One important distinction is that the indigenous cultures of the USA were basically disenfranchised. By the time we became a fully-fledged nation, we were almost wholly populated by immigrants and there was no nationwide "tradition" or native culture left to defend.

Cultural flavors in the States vary greatly by region, depending on which group settled; for instance, the Nordic or German food and language in Minnesota, or the Spanish heritage of California and Texas (Mexican territories long before 1850).

Therefore, there is no real ethnic litmus test that can be applied to being American. I know that our political and ideological norms were scripted by former British colonials with an agenda, but further interpretation of the founding documents has applied those norms to everyone.

We're bound together by ideology, not ethnicity; this carries its own baggage, but it does work for a lot of people...as long as they're on the same page with beliefs and values.

pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
Monoculture is not really about the diversity of food, architecture etc. It's about having common standards and values shared by all.

This is a reasonable, and quite generous, standard that people who emigrate here should be able to embrace, if they have any manners or sincerity. I include myself among that number.
 
Giblets said:
Well it SHOULD bear comparison. If you go to another host country to start a new life, you should swear allegiance to that country. If you don't, why should they protect you with their laws and their armies?

Because freedom is fun? And a flag is just a flag? And kids would resent and rebel against it? Because the whole idea that making people say words and salute a flag actually instils a great pride and loyalty is sheer, unsubstantiated nonsense?

I've never sworn allegiance to this country, and nor do I think I ever shall.

Nor do I ask to be "protected" by the great majority of British laws.
 

ericthellama

War Hero
My point is that there has never been any pressure for immigrants to adapt to our culture, or judgement made about trying to assimilate theirs into the existing ways of the nation. The establishment/government treats other cultures with positive discrimination and waves the stick of racism at anyone who raises a voice of complaint.

I don't like it any more than the next contributor here, but feel that there is no way back any more. Joe Public has been neutered. Whereas I once believed that the vast majority of the population would stand up and be counted, would take a stand and say 'no more' I don't think that it can ever happen.

Not liking it makes no difference and with all due respect, sending Blair any number of soaps-on-ropes or white feathers will not make a jot of difference either. If you look at the way the EU views right wing parties and tries to cut them out of the democratic process, even voting for the BNP will have no effect at all. The way forward? I honestly don't know.

Oops. Edited for mong spelling.
 
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