You cant take that on mate, its DAC!

OK chaps and chapettes. Lets slate the crabs for a bit!

I was thinking back to when 22 Field Hospital were off to Kuwait with the 25 bed Air Portable hospy thing in 2003. We travelled on an Russian crewed Antinov aircraft which basically resembled a large portacabin with wings. The RAF guy who did our MCCP made me laugh when he took my racing spoon from me as it was dangerous air cargo but let me carry on my CEFO and weapon. Oh how I chuckled when I had to eat my dinner with a rifle ckeaning kit!
I reckon he was mate. The pilot put the fear of god into me when he came out wearing a battered pilots hat and a pair of hillbilly dungarees. Looked like he should have been dusting crops!
You aint seen nothing then.

I had to put a pair of NVG (Aircrew, flying for the use of- batteries removed), an LCJ (Aircrew load carrying jerkin- flares correctly stowed) and a PLB (Aircrew CSAR type radio thingy - battery correctly stowed) in as DAC. Had just dropped off a cab at Sarajevo and grabbed a lift off a Herc back to Split.

The loadie said; 'ooh, you cant bring them on board mate, they need to be DAC'd up properly'.

I said 'What?'

He said 'Not DAC'd, not bringing them on board'.

I said; 'But they are the same bits of kit you and the rest of your crew are wearing and the tax payer has spent millions on ensuring that these bits of kit are rather safe to carry in aircraft. Its what they were designed to do'.

Loadie; 'Ah, thats different. They're part of the crew'.

Me; 'You're a tubestick arent you. Were you bullied by girls at school?'

Loadie; '?'

Me; 'Do you have a DAC type bag then please?'

Loadie then handed me a standard issue black bin liner. I just dropped them in and he was happy.

And you wonder why I have 'episodic twitches' when it comes to crabs. :roll:
we went on an op to Sierra Leone and the RAF removed the defib battery and gave us major dramas about the carriage of fresh blood, they didnt want it on the flight either!
Filbert Fox said:
we went on an op to Sierra Leone and the RAF removed the defib battery and gave us major dramas about the carriage of fresh blood, they didnt want it on the flight either!
As in 'an innocent young lad who hasn't had the pleasures of a big hard cock up his bottom'?
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
As in 'an innocent young lad who hasn't had the pleasures of a big hard cock up his bottom'?
up until we got to the jungle, yes!
Filbert Fox said:
we went on an op to Sierra Leone
Just brought back memories of doing the SL Army change over up north.

Load em in sitting on the floor of a C130 and shuttle run while "spotting" out of the para door, only a web strap between you and the ground 150m below, following the terrain top experience.

That was with RAF, however they were SF, 27 bird strikes, a few tight turns and a roll of black nasty later local army changed over and not a single "Tech Delay!"

Happy Days
Filbert Fox said:
we went on an op to Sierra Leone and the RAF removed the defib battery and gave us major dramas about the carriage of fresh blood, they didnt want it on the flight either!
Unless it's been tested by JATE, they won't accept any med kit. All specialist aeromedical medical eqpt (SPAME) has been certified as safe for use in each aircraft type. At one time, for example, we could only use foot-operated suction because the standard Laerdal unit gave off excessive electrical emissions of some sort.

Despite the danger of some kit being glaringly obvious, some people (i.e. army), would invariably try to take it on board. I remember, as aeromed team leader, going to collect a group of soldiers who'd been injured on exercise. The RAF AELO had already given them a DAC brief, but I had to do one too. So, went through it, all confirmed they had no DAC. At the APOD, RAFP FS says that as I've done the brief he'll just do a quick check on one person's bags to save us sitting about.

First bag opened - pyro, Peak stove, matches, lighter fuel, you name it. "Whose is this bag?" says the copper. "Mine", replies the young Lt. "Did you not hear either of the DAC briefs?" I asked.

"Oh yes", he says, "But I didn't think it applied to officers..." Result, long delay for 100% baggage check. No-one else had any DAC.

What is/is not DAC is actually set by the civilian aviation authorities, not the RAF - though they are obliged to comply.

When the HEMS air-ambulance was first set up, I was involved in a small way with advising on some of the aeromed kit. The CAA initially refused to certify the defib at all; then they said it could be carried, but only in the luggage area. When it was explained what it was for, and why it had to be in the patient area, they then said it could be carried, but it had to have a specially made carrying frame earthed to the airframe, and be switched switched off; if it had to be switched on, then no med gases could be in use.... and so it went on, until they were finally convinced about how vital a defib is and why their suggestion was unworkable.

There are times when the loadies and RAFP seem to take pleasure in being over-zealous about DAC, but many individuals do try it on.
We ended up having to carry the blood on board as 'hand luggage'.
Not exactly DAC but a number of years ago returning from BATARSE we were informed that there was going to be a 100% DAC check by the specially deployed RAF police team who had been living in a smart hotel in Calgary for the past three weeks.

Well this caused a fairly large amount of whinging as we had already been delayed more than once and had been f***ed about by the movers who had had us all individually weiged before leaving Crowfoot.

Up steps an RAF Flt Lt flanked by a couple of WOs and a Flt Sgt, and he gives a repeat of the talk about DAC, and tells us that if we all cooperate it should not take more time than necessary and we will be on our way back to BAOR. The BG Comd asks him if this is really necessary and is told to shut up yes it is and just remember that the security of the aircraft is my responsibility (the Flt Lt) so I am going to do the check myself starting with you.

BG Comd realises that any further protestaions will fall on deaf ears so has all of his kit checked infront of the rest of the flight, ditto RSM and so on down the rank scale with no DAC found.

A little later the Flt Lt is starting to have second thoughts as he has just pulled apart the kit of a particularly gungy Tpr, shreddies and socks worn for a couple of weeks on the area and not changed, coveralls soaked in god knows what etc, after three or four sets of kit of this nature he tries to change his mind about 100% but they boys are having none of it, but sir you havent done the REME's kit yet or any of the infantry.

Someone tips off the BG Comd who reminds the Flt Lt that "the security of the flight is his responsibility and that he said 100% so 100% it will be".

We may have been delayed a little longer but the sight of the Flt Lt having to inspect every pair of shreddies on the flight made it so much easier to handle, made us wonder whether it was worth the jaunt in Calgary :D
Filbert Fox said:
We ended up having to carry the blood on board as 'hand luggage'.
If it had gone in the hold, and there had been any leaks or spills (expansion of gases occurs in bags of IV fluids in unpressurised holds, and they can burst), it would ground the aircraft the airframe was cleaned and disinfected.

It's a different environment to the ground, and there are (usually) good reasons why things are classed as DAC (some of the CAA's reasoning continues to escape me, however). Mercury, for example, corrodes the alloys used for airframes; hence no mercury thermometers or sphygs used by aeromed (in the days when such things were common); when emplaning civ aeromeds at RAF St Mawgan we regularly used to have to educate the NHS staff accompanying patients.
Summer 1994, I remember a LPBG exercise which involved jumping onto a DZ in the Central Massif in France as apart of a French AB Div exercise. Troops paraded at Brize Norton for an AT flight to southern Fance before prepping for a tactical insert via C130 onto the DZ.

Bing Bong goes the announcement in the departure lounge at BZ.

"In order to comply with security and DAC regulations will all personnel with Common Weapon Sights and Night Vision Goggles please centralise them in the box in the middle of the lounge for carriage to France."

Much consternation from various CQMSs and QMs as 1033s are torn up and CWS & NVG are centralised in said box.

Bing Bong goes the announcement for a second time in the departure lounge not five nimutes after the centrailising of all CWS & NVG.

"Will all personnel please reclaim their CWS and NVG from the central box in the departure lounge as concentrating these items will exceed tolerance limits for this aircraft."

"Fcuk & cnut" muchly peppers the atmosphere as numerous Quarty blokes attempt to resign out said items on Nirex folders and bits of cigarette packet.

Where was the RAF to be seen during this debacle - obviously cowering in his festering burrow and not prepared to make good his error in person. (Which given the nature of the LPBG was probably a shrewd move).
I remeber flying with a C130 of the RAF SF sqn after being made to jump through hoops and package and repackage a thermometer i handed to the loadie who ask what it was and when iexplained it was a thermometer in a lot ot packaging a few simple words ushered from his lips movement t0ssers
An airhead somewhere in late 2001.

A C130 is being tactically loaded to fly a stripped down fd hosp into Bagram to replace Med Tp. Loading is proceeding well under the auspices of a well-known but particularly prickly RAMC QM. Oxygen cylinders begin to be loaded onto the aircraft...

"Stop" says the loadmaster, that's DAC and we can't fly it into Bagram.

"That's a must go load" replies the QM, "Without it the clinical staff will not be able to do their jobs."

"I don't care... jobsworth. etc etc" says the loadmaster.

"Okay guys, get the fcuking lot off, no point in sending anything if we can't take the oxygen. You Mr Loadmaster, will have to explain to the SF Commander why his fd hosp hasn't arrived."

"Hurrumph" says the Loadmaster "You can't do that."

"You are a complete cnut, with no understanding of either the tactical situation or our clinical need. Watch me propeller man" says the QM.

"Fcukkkkkkk" dribbles from the loadmaster and after several further stiff admonishments from the QM, the oxygen cylinders are duly loaded onto the aircraft and it fly's without incident to deepest darkest Bagram.
Out in Sierra Leone with 34

Gets up in the morning goes out to the hospital and finds loads of boxes
with "Must be kept refridgerated" stickers all over them 8O .

Oooo i best go get PP and tell him some kits arrived 8)

We go and speak to the RLC movements lad who said the RAF movers had kept DAC back for an inspection then sent it last night and dropped it off. :x

Great says PP best go tell the sas not to go in the jungle then as all the fluids are f***ed from laying in the heat last night. :x :roll: :x

Not very happy RAF bloke gets a "chat" with jem and after that PP got an invite down to meet all med kit into theatre :D

....more than 5 x sheets of carbon paper are classed as have been warned
Not just DAC; but RAF MOD Plod as well - out in the desert in Kuwait geting ready to be picked up by CRAB AIR - tailgate come down and MOD Plod come out to check for DAC & Duty Free - what the feck! been in the desert effing t0ssers - what can you buy out there exceot effing camels and wives...

On the flip side few USAF SF C130s - picked us fully bombed up - told us to dump our bergan on the tail gate & grab a pew - as simple as that!!!

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