You can´t land there, Air Ambulance told!!

#1
An Air Ambulance was told to move as it landed to give aid to a fallen horserider.

Landing on a Billionaires property, some jumped up muppet security guard told it to move. That is in its self a pretty bad state of affairs, but check out the "excuses" given for why it was told to move on.

A fellow horse-rider who saw the accident said: ‘The guard said, “Sorry mate, you can’t cut the fence.”

‘The paramedic told him that they had to get to someone who was badly injured.
‘But the guard just replied, “You’ll have to take off again then.” The paramedic talked to the doctor with him and then the helicopter took off again.

‘It took another 20 minutes before they finally reached the woman. She fell off her horse while it was cantering and landed on her head and was unconscious.
Emergency response crews, including helicopters are permitted to cause damage in order to get to a casualty, and given the fact helis have landed n the estate before... leads to the top security bloke coming up with the following drivel.

'Aircraft can’t just fly in like that. I understand it was an emergency, but they should have notified us. We have people working in the grounds, including gardeners, and if they have protective earphones on they can’t hear anything.

"It could have landed on top of someone, or there could have been other aircraft coming into the estate – we do have a landing area here.

‘One guard was relaying back to me what was going on as I was in the control room. I told the guard to tell them to contact me direct, but before we could sort it out they just took off again.

‘We don’t have a problem with the air ambulance landing here or cutting the fence. They’ve done it before, but we do need to be notified first.

‘Sheik Al Maktoum wasn’t here at the time, but even so it sparks a panic if an aircraft suddenly appears on your lawn.’

Neighbour Jill Wood said: ‘We were surprised the helicopter had been ordered off the sheik’s estate. The girl was unconscious and in a bad way.’

An air ambulance spokeswoman said: ‘We landed on Sheik Al Maktoum’s estate and were prepared to cut the fence and guards did approach the crew.

‘But at that point we received a radio message saying that the patient wasn’t as badly injured as we thought. The medical team had a discussion with the guards and a decision was taken to move the helicopter.’
My sister fell of her horse once, I am glad she wasn´t near where this numpty is in charge of security, as the Air Ambulance landed, in what I consider to be quite a risky area!!!

The farmer, who didn´t know her from eve, couldn´t have been more helpful to either the horse riders or the ambulance crew, he conveyed the paramedics and their kit, on the back of a tractor. And stabled her horse.

Had she fallen near this esate, in that instance my sister could have died.

She wanted to be a RMP horse rider, (they allowed women at that time) but couldn´t join up due to having a metal pin inserted in to her femur amongst other injuries.

I´d imagine such frivoulous excuses would be not raised by "head of security" had it been a member of the family or one of the security guards requiring hte air ambulance....

And given the inability of the security team to react to unannounced activity......
 
#2
Should have took Bossyboots approach and told them where to go.
 
#4
The heli may of landed on someone...BECAUSE PEOPLE CANT FEEL THE DOWN DRAFT.....AND PILOTS HAVE A HABBIT OF LANDING ON PEOPLE FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES.
 
#5
My reply to the security mong would have gone something like this: 'Or you'll do precisely what? Now fcuk off, there's a good chap!' Does this not constitute the impediment of the emergency services in carrying out their duties? That's a bit naughty I seem to recall.
 
#6
if they have protective earphones on they can’t hear anything.

"It could have landed on top of someone,
If you can't see a bloody great big helicopter coming at you, then its not earphones you need but glasses!!
If the pilot did manage to land on someone then he needs even stronger glasses!

Perhaps the space was reserved for a consultant :lol:
 
#7
Are you sure about the fact that emergency crews can cause damage? I understand that the Fire brigade are allowed to as are the police, but I understood that the ambulance have to have entry forced by either the Police or Fire brigades first? That wouldn't be much use for the Air Abmulance, however during a rescue I was part of, we had to wait for the Firemen.
 
#8
Linky

Daily Maiil

The sheik is 2ic of the UAE, so I can imagine security is high, however.

Girl on the ground. Needs help. Fence in way.

Sorry mr Fence, you´re out of here.

Tell the security cheif to get his arrse down to the breach and stag on.

LL the air ambulance was carrying bolt cutters.. so I imagine they can use them.
 
#9
Thanks, seems like Britiain needs some rules like Australia. It is an offence here to interfere with emergency service personnel (Fire, Police, Ambulance ,Life Savers and State Emergency Service)
 
#10
civi-in-green said:
The heli may of landed on someone...BECAUSE PEOPLE CANT FEEL THE DOWN DRAFT.....AND PILOTS HAVE A HABBIT OF LANDING ON PEOPLE FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES.
With significant experience of landing oily hairy aircraft where they haven't necessarily been wanted - I know some of the rules and techniques.

But it's a Daily Hate piece so I don't trust a syllable of their reporting and will leave some of the comment to be as ill informed and speculative as the article...
 
#11
You can understand the security guard's concern, he probably thought that the pilot was ex-blue job!

P-T
 
#12
Anyone know the ins and outs of the training for heli pilots in such roles?

At a rough guess, i´d imagine they would be expert flyers, with a fair bit of training and hours flown.

I´d imagine them to know the dangers of touching down in an area, unprepared for them, and with people in the area that are unfamilier with the dangers of helis.

The Heli shown in the article is a NOTAR type. the tail rotor is removed, to enhance safety.

I´d imagine it is SOP for the whole crew to be on the look out for pedestrians.

The heli pad in the Giliad hospital, Bielefeld, is on the front lawn. There is a mere 20m between two public roads and footpaths and the landing spot.

You can walk across the landing spot if the heli isn´t there.

Likewise, I have seen a German heli tucked up against the trees on a autobahn slip way.

Was it in UK somewhere that a police heli rescued someone in the Sea? The Observer got out on to the skids, and held on to the unconcious swimmer, whilst the pilot flew to shore at about 5 meters?

Then you get Mr Jobsworth... "you can´t land here, I know it will add 20minutes to your response to a casualty, and I know that as the responder has decided that this is the best place to land, but well my boss says NO"´, he doesnt´t want the hassle of guarding a hole in the fence".

What would have happened in the event of the casualty dieing? I am not normally big on apportioning blame but.... Security Guard and Chief charged with manslaughter?
 
#13
It is things like this that will keep the security industry in the UK being viewed as the job of last resort for people who are too stupid the be a street sweeper. i know that is unfair on the vast majority of people in the industry, but there are people in security who need to engage brain and think occasionally.
 
#14
It is on PPRuNe too.

http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/357584-unauthorised-air-ambulance-landing.html

Although people seem to be going off on tangents on both te mail and PPRuNe regards the Sheiks money, and nationality.

Not interested. He wasn´t even there.

I am interested in the Cheif of Security and the Security Guard t hough. And the legallity of telling an Ambulance (air or not) to move.

Like I say above, if there is a casualty on the ground, they need attention. That would go for a Air Ambulance landing in the Queens back garden or in to Downing Street.

The Security guards can adapt to the new scenario as it presents itself, not rule it and overrule the medical professionals.
 
#15
I thought this little tidbit summed the Chiefy up rather well:

I told the guard to tell them to contact me direct, but before we could sort it out they just took off again.
No doubt said in a shocked and aggrieved tone. Because, of course, the correct course of action on behalf of the ambulance crew would have been to piss away the Golden Hour while they argued the toss with another, more senior jobsworth rather than getting to the casualty in the shortest time possible.
 
#16
Thank Christ it wasn't on Nicholas Van Hoogstraaten's property, they would have needed another 2 choppers with miniguns just to get the casualties out!!!!
 
#17
I know other countries do it, but why don´t the Armed Forces take on the role of Air Ambulance?

I was mulling over this not long ago, after reading about the privatisation of Air Rescue.

The RAF, AAC and RN could operate (with extra funding obviously) a set of peace time rescue helis in conjunction with airbourne military paramedics, in prep for their role in war.

Providing we could wrestle some money out of the gordos wizened claw, would that work?

(nothing to do with the OP, by the way just an idea).
 
#18
TIGER-MONKEY said:
It is things like this that will keep the security industry in the UK being viewed as the job of last resort for people who are too stupid the be a street sweeper. i know that is unfair on the vast majority of people in the industry, but there are people in security who need to engage brain and think occasionally.
I was in the security industry for 12 years after my service, working alongside many ex-servicemen. I have worked with few stupid people in my time btw. Strangely enough one of the parallels with the forces is that you do what you are told to the letter or you will be out on your rear. In 99% of "jobsworth" accusations the messenger is being shot because the person who thought up the rule/procedures or whatever is in fact the biff. Some people on this forum want to get rid of their superior attitude to those working in "low esteem" jobs; the forces are viewed in exactly the same way by most civvies when there isn't a war on.
 
#19
The ambulance service needs to call police/fire brigade to gain entry if theres an obstruction.

But I can't imagine any complaints standing up in court if the heli crew decide they can't wait!
 
#20
I don't know the source of this drivel of a story. It's worth pointing out that the Al Maktoum security team are some of the very best in town, composed mainly of ex 'Them' or the 7 x 2's All of the team have a good degree of medical training and helio handling. They would have a better understanding of the situation that the news reporter would have preferred, otherwise there's no story.

"Mongs in that team?" Give your head a shake!
 

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