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#1
One lad said on Sky News tonight that he thought A levels weren't getting any easier because he had had to revise a lot (or words to that effect) and that he had had to work hard for his FIVE Grade A's and ONE B...................which begs the questions "Were we Truly thicker 20 yrs ago when even taking 3 A levels was impressive, have teachers so improved that they are a different league to their predecessors or is it all a crock of slip sliding shite where these results count for very little indeed"?
 
#2
I believe there is a lot of coaching going on these days within schools.

Performance figures? or kids too lazy or not trusted to properly research and learn things for themselves??

Probably a lot of "multichoice mark with an X type exams" for electronic readers something we never had as kids.
 
#3
I was lucky to get 3 A levels a B and two Cs. Then again I dropped out and look where I am now!
 
#4
I was lucky to get 3 A levels a B and two Cs. Then again I dropped out and look where I am now!
 
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#5
Just flick through any essay a top stream student writes and your doubts will be removed.
My girl got two A's and a B and she's as switched on as they come.
Her mate was hoping to go to Oxford having got 11 A stars at GCSE but only achieved A,B,C at A level despite working hard.
Another really bright mate of hers who speaks four languages (self taught) only got D,D,E.
Anyone who gets an A grade at A level nowadays has had to put some work in.
Teaching being crap was the norm when I went to school,Now I reckon it's the exception.
 
#6
Of course the bloody exams have got easier.

How can you reconcile chronic teacher shortages, enlarged class sizes , employers complaining that the levels of Numeracy and Literacy have dropped, Universities complaining about the standards of new students and then announce "It's yet another bumper year for exam results, look how much cleverer our young people have got under Labour"

Maybe I'm just old, but when I first applied for a *Cough* Aircrew Commission back in 19*Cough*, the requirement was 5 O-Levels , Grade C and above , A-Levels or a Degree, so much the better"

Now it's a degree , full stop.

Oh yes, our kids really are getting brighter.
 
#7
The falsehood is compounded by Parents who enjoy telling everyone how many A's their offspring attained.............not having a go Sid but; who would not be proud to say RugRat got 3 straight A's and 2 B's.........only we know they mean next to nothing really......
 
#8
I believe it may be in the style of exam also. If you look in the marking scheme it seems that subjects such as Eng lit and the such aren't marked on what you know about the content you're meant to have studied and rather your ability to spout out buzz words and proper essay formats.
 
#9
From the Telegraph this evening

The Confederation of British Industry said employers were less worried about A-level grade inflation than they were about the number of pupils leaving school unable to read or write. That was "the real education scandal", it said.
Why go on argueing about it..........standards have slipped
 
#10
Standards have slipped. Exams were much harder when we were all younger. Our generation is much clever than the present A-Level students - far more intelligent and able to apply ourselves much better.

What's more - all those logarithms, working out without calculators, all those physics formulae, all that Shakespeare we read and appreciated (because we had so many more original points to make about it than today's kids do), and all that complex French grammar we learnt has been hugely useful since and we couldn't get through a day without it.

So we're still cleverer than our kids, we still know better than them about everything, and there's absolutely no reason to feel insecure about our academic abilities.
 
#11
Ah 'Old Chap'....... now then where did all this sarcasm come from? Thats not like you 8O Of course we all use algebra, logarithms and qoute Shakespeare all day..............Now then answer honestly do you truly feel that you could have done 5 A levels of the standard required 20 years ago?.....None of this module course work shite...either you had studied it and you knew the two years of it or you didn't..........and then to study for 5 A levels................you do then feck me...what do they put in the sea up your way 'cos I could do with eating some of your fish to improve my intellect ?:wink:
 
#12
Having not seen a A-Level paper from 20 years ago, I wouldn't be able to answer your question with as much honesty you ask of me.

My point is that standards have moved sideways, not down. What one is required to know in order to perform well in modern exams is now more reflective of what one needs to know to be successful in daily life. This is born of a wrong-headed assumption by educationalists that kids can't be interested in things that have no relevance to their life.

Education should be about teaching kids how to think about things, not what to think about things (or rather what Government thinks they should be thinking). Added to this should be the important lesson that sometimes in life, you have to do things you don't want to do and think are pointless.
 
#13
Her mate was hoping to go to Oxford having got 11 A stars at GCSE
I am not underestimating the work todays students put in, but has the diversity of suberct content gone down ? (ie. jack of all, master of none)When I did 'O' levels you could only do a maximum of 9, and that was with taking 2 early if you were a really bright spark.

Anyone getting A's then was deemed as some sort of genius, let alone A stars, and let alone getting A stars in 11 !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#14
And besides, LWM, the content of my post was not sarcastic, merely ironic.

My modular English Literature for Clampitts A-Level taught me that important difference. :wink:
 
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OldChap said:
My point is that standards have moved sideways, not down. What one is required to know in order to perform well in modern exams is now more reflective of what one needs to know to be successful in daily life. This is born of a wrong-headed assumption by educationalists that kids can't be interested in things that have no relevance to their life.

Education should be about teaching kids how to think about things, not what to think about things (or rather what Government thinks they should be thinking). Added to this should be the important lesson that sometimes in life, you have to do things you don't want to do and think are pointless.
I think you're spot on old chap. As someone with a CSE in woodworking and technical drawing I think I can be authorative on this subject!!

Its not that they're necessarily easier its just that they're different. Reflecting the differences in 30 odd years of society changing face. I suspect the PC brigade also have something to answer for somewhere!
 
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My other half who works as a Senior Science Technician at a state comp. says the current Physics A2 (old full A level) paper is easier than the Physics O level paper she sat one or two years *cough* ago.

It is a mixture of both standards dropping and teaching getting better. AFAIK The major change happened in the mid 90's when the grading changed from a cohort grade to an absolute grade; ie in the first only say top 5% of papers submitted would get grade A, in the second anyone that got 70% of the marks would get an A grade...

(I got a D and Two E's, being an idle bugger)
 
#18
It's a case of different subjects as well, seems things like science has broken down into about 12 different levels.
In my younger days it was biology,physics and chemistry!

when we got on to O level grades we had to choose between certain subjects,(i.e. history or geography, you couldn't do both subjects!)

I don't think that happens as much now. so not saying they do not have to study, but i feel they are a bit easier to concentrate on as they appear to be more focused on themes rather than general subject matter
 
#19
I think it also stems from the fact that 15 - 20 years ago youngsters spent more time outside playing sports and the like, most kids nowadays need an act of god to get them outside, they would rather sit in their rooms on t'internet so they do have more time to study.
 
#20
Rudolph_Hucker said:
OldChap said:
My point is that standards have moved sideways, not down. What one is required to know in order to perform well in modern exams is now more reflective of what one needs to know to be successful in daily life. This is born of a wrong-headed assumption by educationalists that kids can't be interested in things that have no relevance to their life.

Education should be about teaching kids how to think about things, not what to think about things (or rather what Government thinks they should be thinking). Added to this should be the important lesson that sometimes in life, you have to do things you don't want to do and think are pointless.
I think you're spot on old chap. As someone with a CSE in woodworking and technical drawing I think I can be authorative on this subject!!

Its not that they're necessarily easier its just that they're different. Reflecting the differences in 30 odd years of society changing face. I suspect the PC brigade also have something to answer for somewhere!
Absolutely right. I only realised how much things have changed even in the last ten years or so (did my first A-levels in 1993, it gets complicated after that) when I was saying to a friend I wouldn't have the first clue these days how to work out a Standard Deviation (I used to know). He pointed out that ExCel will do it for you... Not in 'my' day it didn't! So in all honesty as long as kids are caplable of understanding how and why the formula works is it really necessary to drill them in actually doing it?

You just can't compare things now and then and get a sensible answer. Modular exams, far more people taking A-levels, league tables...

Oh, and don't let's drag literacy into it, there was no Golden Age - look at what school-kids in the 1920s were producing and you can see nothing much has changed, except possibly these days we're more tolerant and understanding about things like being left-handed or dyslexic [and no I'm not equating the two].
 

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