You’ve lost it, Guardianistas

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You’ve lost it, Guardianistas
Sunday Times
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Martin Ivens meets Nick Cohen
Nick Cohen, a journalist with impeccable left-wing credentials, has written a book about the latest moral disorder afflicting his brothers and sisters in the struggle. Fashionable anti-Americanism and hatred of the Bush administration and Tony Blair has so warped opponents of the war in Iraq, he argues, that they want the Islamic terrorists to win.

In What’s Left? How Liberals Lost Their Way, Cohen asks, “Why do leftist papers publish defences of suicide bombers?” and answers that the failure of socialism has freed them to go along with any movement, however far right it may be, “as long as it is against the status quo and America”.

The triumph of liberal-left social agenda in the West, and Britain in particular (human rights, gay rights, women’s emancipation, etc) left a gaping black hole to be filled. But these causes are, apparently, not for export. “They could all be for the emancipation of women in London, Paris and New York while indifferent to the misogynies of the Middle East, Africa and Asia,” he writes. Supporting these values in the Second or Third World is moral imperialism, don’t you know.

What’s Left? has created havoc among the Guardian-reading classes. It asserts a commonality of interest between the hard left and soft liberals who lazily take up the arguments of their malevolent brethren. For those not of the faith, it offers a defence of the alliance of the liberal interventionist left with American, and British military power in the Balkans, Sierra Leone and now, fatefully Iraq. Neo- liberals as well as neocons thought they had found the philosopher’s stone of foreign policy, an idealism grounded in realism. For a decade they swept all before them until Abu Ghraib and Baghdad, city of dreadful night, brought them up short.
 
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Hi Random_Task!

What is your point? What do you wish to say proposing us to discuss the article?
 
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KGB_resident said:
Hi Random_Task!

What is your point? What do you wish to say proposing us to discuss the article?
Hello Sergey,

Knowing the politics of Arrse, I thought this would be an interesting article to share!
 
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That is a problem for the left .America ,Israel bad unfortunatly the palestians ,iraq insurgents arent that nice either . :frustrated: Whats a liberal to do ?
 
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Random_Task said:
KGB_resident said:
Hi Random_Task!

What is your point? What do you wish to say proposing us to discuss the article?
Hello Sergey,

Knowing the politics of Arrse, I thought this would be an interesting article to share!
Indeed I see a lot of questions that can be discussed.

What is a difference between neo-liberals and neocons?

British military power in the Balkans, Sierra Leone and now, fatefully Iraq. Neo- liberals as well as neocons thought they had found the philosopher’s stone of foreign policy, an idealism grounded in realism.
It seems to me that both think that in the name of human rights it is possible to violate human rights.
 
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Looks like the book might be interesting.
 
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The one thing worse than a neocon is a British neocon, and the one thing worse than a British neocon is a left-wing British neocon.

This chap is another of the Chris Hitchens brigade, best ignored.
 
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