YofS and FofS selection- open it to all trades.

#3
Of course the NON RD routes have been open to all trade specs as long as they are selected, but can you cram in class 3, 2 & 1 knowledge plus experience????????? :cyclopsani: Who would decide what was an equivilancy in the technical area? No I think those routes are only open to the specific trades and always will be, by there choice!! Although if the lesser Tech/Operator doesn't have it he can always CLOG UP THE RD ROSTA!!!!!!!! :sentemail: SOinC please ammend to state that if you have a supervisory route within your career - stick to it! :thumleft:
 
#4
staxwasadick said:
If a person proves that they can obtain a proper technical degree or similar, why shouldn't the be selected for the above.
unfortunately its not just about academics - when someone is selected for the above they are being assessed for potential Warrant Rank and the associated duties - ie Can he/she communicate well orally and on paper and lead or manage people. An academic would cope technically but may not have the self confidence to stand up and brief senior officers or even the guys. A good mix of personal skills is needed.
 
#5
Superdood said:
staxwasadick said:
If a person proves that they can obtain a proper technical degree or similar, why shouldn't the be selected for the above.
unfortunately its not just about academics - when someone is selected for the above they are being assessed for potential Warrant Rank and the associated duties - ie Can he/she communicate well orally and on paper and lead or manage people. An academic would cope technically but may not have the self confidence to stand up and brief senior officers or even the guys. A good mix of personal skills is needed.
Oh come on have you seen the quality of a significant number of WOs and even LE officers in the Corps- Promoted well above their ability.
 
#7
I think your jealous mac - personnally i think if your an average bloke that has good integrity you can make the grade
 
#8
SD - you are probably right. The average bloke can make the grade, the problem occurs when the not so average bloke, gets into a position that he can't cope with and then gets out of his depth.

With the YofS and FofS thing, it is a lot of academic skills as well as experience and knowledge and an ability to pass the military courses too.

So obtaining a Degree in electronics or IT at summer school and OU, should not be a road into YofS or FofS or even Supervisor Radio, you need a whole lot more.

Me Personally - got phase 3 in 94, as a Tech Class2, and now am an IT manager. without a degree and not yet at my own level of incompetance.
Although I was still not good enough to be a FofS in the TA!!!
 
#12
Whovian said:
if you have a supervisory route within your career - stick to it!
Do you think that only drivers, electricians and tech sup specs should be allowed onto the RD roster?
 
#13
Whovian

Of course the NON RD routes have been open to all trade specs as long as they are selected, but can you cram in class 3, 2 & 1 knowledge plus experience????????? Who would decide what was an equivilancy in the technical area? No I think those routes are only open to the specific trades and always will be, by there choice!! Although if the lesser Tech/Operator doesn't have it he can always CLOG UP THE RD ROSTA!!!!!!!! SOinC please ammend to state that if you have a supervisory route within your career - stick to it!
Ok, you messed up the entrance test so became a Combat Tradesman. Not only that but the entrance test was actually right because (and here is the pinch) if you had wanted too, you could have transfered into a better job/trade later on and gone on to the hallowed land.

What is your problem?

Do you dislike those more intelligent than you?

Some of those Engineers, Operators and Techs like doing the basic stuff. The work stuff, but dont like the technical management stuff. Therefore they dont want to move onto the Supervisor stuff.

They are keen, intelligent and good at what they do, why should they not move into the RD role?

Lets really burn you bridge... take a 10 year Cpl in trade (and by that I mean Engineer, Op or Tech). Gets to Sgt and thinks, bugger dont fancy the Sup route (YofS, FofS, SupIS etc), I think I have to go RD. He then starts his career along those lines, Range Qual etc etc. You on the other hand have had 10 years head start. You have only one line to go down. One single aim to succeed.

Why is it that generally those who were in trade and then go RD generally do better?

Now before some of my best friends beat the living carp out of me... I am not having a go at the Combat trades par se.

You however need to remove the plank you have and to move on and do better.
 
#14
Thought occured to me - If I were a civvy taxpayer looking in on this thread Id be phoning up my MP and saying why oh why does the R Sigs invest so much in a tradesman for say 10 years only for him to be told to switch to an RD role - what a complete waste of my money Id say
 
#15
Perhaps because not all can go that way. Its a numbers game.

As it is most ranks stay in trade till SSgt now (although probably not offically).

Does civvy street stop people chaning their job? No!
 
#16
Superdood said:
I think your jealous mac - personnally i think if your an average bloke that has good integrity you can make the grade
i agree

Everyone has the choice to attempt to gain a place on the supervisor rosta. On my course i had ex RR and DTG and i myself am an ex Dvr Lineman. Anybody who is currently on the RD rosta can have a go and i would encourage them to do so if they are not happy on their current rosta. Just because someone has a degree doesnt mean they are suited to any of the suprervisor roles. A big part of being on any rosta is the management side and whether or not the individual in ? can hold the rank of SSGT in the first instance at potentially a young. If you have no potential there is no point,,,if your CR says you are an excellent Sgt and doesnt mention potential a Sgt you will remain so might want to re think about persuing a path on either of the rosta....having said that the IS may take you, beggers cant be choosers....LOL
:thumleft:
 
#17
Your argument has holes in it - 1 if Im a civvy changing jobs there is no cost to the taxpayer 2 If I retrain someone after 10years at taxpayers expense Yes I can speak out - it just smacks of inneficiency - my solution would be to keep them in trade and promote them as normal - the incentive to the Sups stream is that they get higher qualified
 
#18
So to retrain someone to qualifythem, to enable them to change rosta costs money. But if you are going to get the return i dont see where the problem is. That is why we have timebars imposed so that service cannot be terminated once the course has been completed. So how is it not cost effective????????
 
#19
happyhammer
Everyone has the choice to attempt to gain a place on the supervisor rosta. On my course i had ex RR and DTG and i myself am an ex Dvr Lineman. Anybody who is currently on the RD rosta can have a go and i would encourage them to do so if they are not happy on their current rosta. Just because someone has a degree doesnt mean they are suited to any of the suprervisor roles. A big part of being on any rosta is the management side and whether or not the individual in ?
I think the point has been lost. Unless I have missed the latest missive from our Ivory Tower (MCM for those who toe the line), then don't the Supervisor trades need to come from the trades themselves?

After all as an RTG and being far better looking as well as more intelligent than the normall Radio Tech, I should have gone Foreman.

To be a Supervisor trade it is not really about 'Manmanagement' that is learnt with the rank. The Supervisor role is intended as a super user, to understand the requirements, how to do it, plan it, tell it - both up and down and make it happen.

How is a very good, intelligent 10 year linelayer going to go up against a 10 year RS Op in terms of understanding, IS, HF, VHF, UHF and VHF issues let alone the equipment across the corps.

DTG also, when is was a trade - and hence my lapse into past trades, always were allowed into the Super route.

I am not saying that Combat Trades do not have the neccessary brain. They would only lack the neccessary background. Remember their are a lot of senior Maj and LtCol's who came through the Supervisor route and TRA'd into Operator trades from Combat routes.
 
#20
Redshaggydog said:
Now before some of my best friends beat the living carp out of me... I am not having a go at the Combat trades par se.
There's no such thing as a combat trade in the R SIGNALS. It was always an ego thing to make them feel wanted.
 

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