Yet More Good News For The Andrew

Mr_Fingerz

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Mr_Fingerz

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#6
Article is complete BS.
Agreed, total and utter crap.There seem to be a lot of quotation marks in the article.....I'm sure none of them have been taken out of context.

Other hurdles must also be overcome, the NAO states, including the landing difficulties. "The STOVL is unable to land vertically on to a carrier in hot, humid and low pressure weather conditions without having to jettison heavy loads. The department advised decision makers of this risk but stated the solution it is developing will be ready by 2020."

Am I being a mong here, or can anyone tell me what "heavy loads" an aircraft landing on a carrier would be carrying!
 
#7
Agreed, total and utter crap.There seem to be a lot of quotation marks in the article.....I'm sure none of them have been taken out of context.

Other hurdles must also be overcome, the NAO states, including the landing difficulties. "The STOVL is unable to land vertically on to a carrier in hot, humid and low pressure weather conditions without having to jettison heavy loads. The department advised decision makers of this risk but stated the solution it is developing will be ready by 2020."

Am I being a mong here, or can anyone tell me what "heavy loads" an aircraft landing on a carrier would be carrying!
A pilot.
 
#9
Can they not deploy a large floating bouncing castle and jettison the weapons into the large floating bouncy castle prior to landing? Job Jobbed at little cost.
 

Grumblegrunt

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#10
isn't that a standard thing with vtol though harrier had to dump its load if it was too heavy to hover.
 
#11
Weapons? IIRC Harrier couldn't land back on with certain weapons fitted, so if it hadn't dropped the weapon on a target it was ditched in the sea. Gets expensive.
I would have thought that landing on a carrier whilst still tooled up isn't a good idea anyway!
 
#12
You couldn't make it up.
The Guardian has...

The problem I have starts with:

...currently cannot land vertically – as its predecessor the Harrier jump jet could – in warm climates without jettisoning heavy payloads

Oh, yes, the Harrier - and especially the SHAR - was famed, just famed for its bring-back capability for carrier ops, and indeed, in various circumstances VLs on land bases wasn'... oooh. Hang on.

FFS, the legacy Hornet can't land back on conventionally with heavy loads...

One of the reasons that the Sharkey Lobby got into a twist over the 'Oh, yes, Harrier could do the same as a GR4 without having to fly from land bases' argument was that Harrier mates were cheerfully admitting that attempting to launch - not land, launch - from a carrier with a Storm Shadow or, indeed, a PWIII required one to don one of those natty little rising sun headbands so popular amongst Japanese aviators prior to their final sortie and subsequent very short service inquiry such were the er... interesting possibilites that arose.

As BS says, the article is well, BS...
 
#13
It refers to bring-back loads. In essence, having bought munitions at significant cost, if for whatever reason having launched you're not allowed to drop them on someone (see Herrick for details) it's preferable to bring them back for another set of names / insults to be scribbled on and dropped in the future.

The trouble with the B variant has always been that in a very specific set of environmental circumstances, with a particular weapon load, there isn't enough thrust to land vertically. Hence the development of the SRVL technique, which I personally believe to be somewhat hairy, but others believe to be perfectly achievable.

For a bit of context, the SHAR used to be able to carry 4 AIM120 AMRAAM weapons. Unfortunately, it couldn't recover back aboard ship with them all when it was very hot. No being allowed to shoot people to get aboard and being rather valuable, instead of launching with four, they ran round with two.

Short version - the article is b0ll0cks.
 
#14
As the two esteemed posters have noted above, the article is utter rubbish.

Generally speaking I'd also wonder how often we'll see airframes tonking along with full loads now anyway given smaller stockpiles, the impact of flying on fatigue life and the likelihood of dumping it if the weather improves.
 
#15
I always thought it was a bit unsporting that the SHAR didn't have ROE permitting the kinetic despatch of any passing uppity foreigners in the event of a four-AMRAAM fit and a pleasant temperature uplift during the course of the sortie, but I suppose that's why I wasn't temperamentally suited for a career as a LEGAD...
 
#16
Well, in the event of having to bring back munitions... If they were in the vicinity then the Navy could really liven up the Fastnet race. Imagine the commentary as the leader is straddled by a couple of bombs

On a serious note (as I do try to at least contribute sensibly) its not surprising the article is BS, many journos I've met tend to not be very diligent in their research.

I tend to not worry too much when I see the F-35 et al getting a bashing in the news as I tend to wait until I see the various arrsers analyse it on here and they generally offer (often quite insightful) info.

I'm merely an enthusiastic amateur in my love of aircraft and armoured vehicles but I enjoy seeing the discussions here as you learn a lot.


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#17
Who knows? It's possible.

What is somewhat ludicrous is the idea that the Treasury makes the MoD liable for £134M in VAT when it is ultimately paying for the project in any case. To me that's just barking. As is the idea that "installing" the system required about 4000 man years or 6.7 million manhours - more if you apply sensible labour cost rates. Swan Hunter built HM ships Westminster, Northumberland and Richmond for less than that!

That's in addition to the 1.7M manhours to design and project manage the fit.........
 
#18
I think the Guardian has been taking notes from the AIrfix box art school of bombing, every plane loaded to the gills with every conceivable weapon to it's maximum all up weapons load.
 

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