yet another nhs cock up

#1
daily mail


just when i had thought that i had heard it all!!
 
#2
yeah, just when you think it cannot possibly get worse up comes another story of NHS Britain, these are all one offs but it goes to show how things really are in the world today. shocking if it's true.
 
#3
This is totally minging and unbelievable! I hope there is a proper inquiry and the 'nurse' is suspended without pay then sacked!

stilts
 
#4
This is incredibly disturbing, as much on the medical as the emotional sides. The mother will need a full gynaecological look-see to ensure that foetal detachment was clean and that all haemorrhage has ceased. Certainly ERPC and D&C can wait but not the initial examination.
 
#5
i am sure she will when she returns from " holiday!"
 
#7
Sad tale and incredible stupidity but:

".......the Trust hadn't received a formal complaint from Miss Hill and if they received one they would have a full internal investigation."
 
#8
speechless........... what is wrong with people??
 
#9
I'll file this one under the same heading as Martin Ryan who had a stroke and couldn't swallow.

Nobody on his ward fed him for a month so he starved to death.

Feckin' unbelievable.
 
#10
Ancient_Mariner said:
I'll file this one under the same heading as Martin Ryan who had a stroke and couldn't swallow.

Nobody on his ward fed him for a month so he starved to death.

Feckin' unbelievable.
Unfortunately all a bi-product of the new 'professional' nurses as opposed to yesteryear's 'vocational' nurses who cared in abundance and only needed to be taught the mechanics and routines of patient care. It was all helped by actually walking out on to a ward and meeting the patients.
 

BuggerAll

LE
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#11
It is difficult to understand how anyone could possibly have thought that they were giving appropriate advice. The only thing I can possibly think is that whoever answered the phone was having some kind of breakdown. Its not an excuse but it might be an explanation. Some NHS staff are at the end of thier tethers - maybe this one just snapped.

I watched part of the panorama prog last night looking at the aftermath of Margret Heywoods persecution by the NMC. She filmed staff behaving in unbelievable ways. I can't believe they went into healthcare intending to be like that but somehow Labours NHS has made them that way.
 
#12
Markintime said:
Ancient_Mariner said:
I'll file this one under the same heading as Martin Ryan who had a stroke and couldn't swallow.

Nobody on his ward fed him for a month so he starved to death.

Feckin' unbelievable.
Unfortunately all a bi-product of the new 'professional' nurses as opposed to yesteryear's 'vocational' nurses who cared in abundance and only needed to be taught the mechanics and routines of patient care. It was all helped by actually walking out on to a ward and meeting the patients.
Dead right there Markintime, My other half was a staff nurse at GOS and these story's make her want to hide under the carpet, she just can't except what sort of people get into nursing today, Can't repeat here what her reaction was.
 
#13
Markintime said:
Unfortunately all a bi-product of the new 'professional' nurses as opposed to yesteryear's 'vocational' nurses who cared in abundance and only needed to be taught the mechanics and routines of patient care. It was all helped by actually walking out on to a ward and meeting the patients.
I'm sorry i really don't recognise the picture of Nursing you paint, which is odd as a I am a practicing Registered Nurse ...

or once again is this a symptom of those whose viewpoint on nursing practice is informed by being on wards only at either

1. ward round time

2. visiting time

times at which other activities are minimised

unsuprisingly during afternoon visiting I am most likely to be completing documentation unless there is a pressing clinical need, because it allows visitors to see the patients they have come to see , and it's a task which can be left relatively easily to speak with visitors and patients , or would you rather I be in the treatment room or behind curtains for the entire period doing 'environmentally unpleasant' activities ....

Nurses are not there to be the slave of patients or their visotors, and unfortunately sometimes this means being 'mean ' to patients in the best interests of their rehabilitation ...

Also people seem to forget that in this pointless metric obsessed culture that zanuliarbore have introduced , achieving the metric is more important than achieving the mission - most easily summed up in the phrase ' hitting the target but missing the bloody point'
 
#15
mph1977 said:
Markintime said:
Unfortunately all a bi-product of the new 'professional' nurses as opposed to yesteryear's 'vocational' nurses who cared in abundance and only needed to be taught the mechanics and routines of patient care. It was all helped by actually walking out on to a ward and meeting the patients.
I'm sorry i really don't recognise the picture of Nursing you paint, which is odd as a I am a practicing Registered Nurse ...

or once again is this a symptom of those whose viewpoint on nursing practice is informed by being on wards only at either

1. ward round time

2. visiting time

times at which other activities are minimised

unsuprisingly during afternoon visiting I am most likely to be completing documentation unless there is a pressing clinical need, because it allows visitors to see the patients they have come to see , and it's a task which can be left relatively easily to speak with visitors and patients , or would you rather I be in the treatment room or behind curtains for the entire period doing 'environmentally unpleasant' activities ....

Nurses are not there to be the slave of patients or their visotors, and unfortunately sometimes this means being 'mean ' to patients in the best interests of their rehabilitation ...
I find starving patients to death a bit more than mean personally.
Also people seem to forget that in this pointless metric obsessed culture that zanuliarbore have introduced , achieving the metric is more important than achieving the mission - most easily summed up in the phrase ' hitting the target but missing the bloody point'
Nice rant but my observation comes from being involved with the profession starting out as a student nurse in 1974 and ending in disillusionment and disgust 10 years ago. Student nurses these days spend more time in university than they do with patients. No point in a long embroiled argument about the pros and cons of old-fashioned nurses versus body mechanics, suffice is to say that the breadth and depth of your knowledge is far superior to yesterday's nurses but the amount of time a trained nurse, not a carer or auxiliary spends with the actual patient is much reduced. I certainly don't think nurses should be slaves but you are there to look after them and not to sit and shuffle paperwork and bitch about not being paid as much as doctors.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
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#16
Markintime you're not alone in what you think there.

My sister, at 45 a veteran nurse, says exactly the same. The new nurses are often described as 'too posh to wash' in her hospital, and one or two are quite shocked to learn that washing a patient is a good way of finding out how they are physically and mentally.

As a patient, I had excellent care last year. The one nurse who was arrogant and unpleasant was far outweighed by all the others. But you could certainly see how they were understaffed, had too much to do, and very little time for 'nursing' as opposed to 'managing patients'.

And as for the ward my uncle was in as he was dying. Words fail me, but I knew it was bad when he got MRSA for the second time, and then there was the occasion when he had wet himself. I asked politely whether one particular staff member could arrange for someone to change his pyjamas, to be told 'I don't do that'. She got one of my mother's best 'looks' and a 'please therefore ask someone who does', which was all I'd wanted in the first place.
 
#17
Markintime said:
This is incredibly disturbing, as much on the medical as the emotional sides. The mother will need a full gynaecological look-see to ensure that foetal detachment was clean and that all haemorrhage has ceased. Certainly ERPC and D&C can wait but not the initial examination.
I entirely agree with you there, Markintime. I simply fail to imagine how this case wasn't shunted up front as an emergency priority. It's what we do, FFS!

I'm sorry, but the nurse (or whoever it was) who made the bizarre suggestion that this poor woman should dump her miscarried child in the fridge should be got shot of immediately. And I mean immediately! Just how unfeeling can you be?

God fückin' help us!

MsG
 
#18
mph1977 said:
Markintime said:
'professional' nurses as opposed to yesteryear's 'vocational' nurses who cared in abundance and only needed to be taught the mechanics and routines of patient care. It was all helped by actually walking out on to a ward and meeting the patients.
I'm sorry i really don't recognise the picture of Nursing you paint, which is odd as a I am a practicing Registered Nurse ...

or once again is this a symptom of those whose viewpoint on nursing practice is informed by being on wards only at either
Unfortunately all a bi-product of the new

1. ward round time

2. visiting time

times at which other activities are minimised

unsuprisingly during afternoon visiting I am most likely to be completing documentation unless there is a pressing clinical need, because it allows visitors to see the patients they have come to see , and it's a task which can be left relatively easily to speak with visitors and patients , or would you rather I be in the treatment room or behind curtains for the entire period doing 'environmentally unpleasant' activities ....

Nurses are not there to be the slave of patients or their visotors, and unfortunately sometimes this means being 'mean ' to patients in the best interests of their rehabilitation ...

Also people seem to forget that in this pointless metric obsessed culture that zanuliarbore have introduced , achieving the metric is more important than achieving the mission - most easily summed up in the phrase ' hitting the target but missing the bloody point'[/quot

You know, Sounds like you are in the wrong fcukin job, Look for another.
 
#19
mph1977 said:
I'm sorry i really don't recognise the picture of Nursing you paint, which is odd as a I am a practicing Registered Nurse ...

or once again is this a symptom of those whose viewpoint on nursing practice is informed by being on wards only at either

1. ward round time

2. visiting time

times at which other activities are minimised

unsuprisingly during afternoon visiting I am most likely to be completing documentation unless there is a pressing clinical need, because it allows visitors to see the patients they have come to see , and it's a task which can be left relatively easily to speak with visitors and patients , or would you rather I be in the treatment room or behind curtains for the entire period doing 'environmentally unpleasant' activities ....

Nurses are not there to be the slave of patients or their visotors, and unfortunately sometimes this means being 'mean ' to patients in the best interests of their rehabilitation ...

Also people seem to forget that in this pointless metric obsessed culture that zanuliarbore have introduced , achieving the metric is more important than achieving the mission - most easily summed up in the phrase ' hitting the target but missing the bloody point'
Are you having a laugh at the patients' expense, you total fückin' knob? Whatever the shite gobment does, folks need medical aid!!!

You are there for the patients who need you, numbnuts! No ifs or buts. If you just regard it as a sort of smugglin your way into what you actually want, then declare it as such and fück off!

As a former CMT in the RAMC, I do one weekday and one weekend night-stint in A&E at the local dock, where my wife also works. We don't actually need drovil cünts like you, fella!

MsG
 
#20
You can't categorise all hospital staff as being the same. Based on years of attending hospital with my wife, I would say that you see the very best as well as the very worst of people among NHS staff.

I recall one of the consultants at my local hospital keeping his clinic open until 9pm so that he could examine my wife and reassure her that she didn't have a brain tumour and that she wasn't going blind when she was being treated for cancer. His whole team, registrar, junior doc, nurses did about half a day of unpaid overtime just to alleviate my wife's fear.

Another consultant cancelled my wife's appointment while she was sitting in the waiting room because one of his private patients needed urgent attention at the BUPA hospital. Her lung collapsed because the nurses on her ward couldn't be arrsed to check a tube that had been inserted into her chest. When she was in hospital on 31 December, every single nurse on the oncology ward, including the ward sister, buggered off to the staff room for a new year party. Bedridden patients were abandoned to foul themselves if they needed a bedpan.

Overall, the NHS isn't good enough for the amount of money that's being spent on it. As one commentator put it: 'We have a western European health budget and an eastern European health service'.
 

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