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Yes, I Am Whingeing!!!!

#1
I have read threads on here about crap clerks. I have seen numerous crap clerks get promoted apparently based on the fact that they are oustspoken or they make a point of kissing arse. I must own up to not doing either of these pre-requisites for promotion in the SPS. I go about my business quietly and I like to think I do an excellent job. The lads in my Coy say so (and the infantry don't like to blow smoke up a crap clerk's arse) the other clerks all say so and the SNCOs say so. I am not shy but neither am I outspoken. All my reports acknowledge my technical ability and hard work and I am still passing my fitness tests. Should I maybe toss it off, blag my work, belittle people who come to me for help and get myself downgraded in order to get promoted or should I persevere? I have now been a full screw for 8 years and the injustice is starting to get to me.
 
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armadillo

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#3
The army promotion system is bent, they say it is fair, but it is not. Until the system changes nothing you can do about it. The cherry on top is your CLM may be out of date and you will have to resit it. The rules/goalposts have moved right and more inflexible.

I would seriously look at work outside the wire, and study like a demon and get uber qualified so when you do get out, all those morons who did get promoted will not be in your standard of work.

My biggest gripe is the promotion system and how biased it is, and you always get the WO or Officer saying its fair, bollocks.
 
#6
Just a tad. It's fecking irritating when I see fat incompetent wasters get promoted to Sgt and even SSgt when they have spent a great deal of their time blatantly blagging their way through each working day or worse...coming to me for advice on how to do their job. Don't get me wrong, I am not claiming to be the best thing since sliced bread (or that everyone who gets promoted is shit) but I do my job well and take pride in providing a quality service to the lads. I stay current with our ever changing job and I have also always been fit and deployable. It's not about the pay as I am only a couple of grand a year worse off than our FSA (who is good for the record). However, these cnuts should not be allowed to cheat their way to the top and also get a better pension. Merit is obviously a dirty word in the SPS!!!
 
#7
I go about my business quietly and I like to think I do an excellent job.
This is where you fail. The Army expects you to be a gobby, jack-the-lad type who 'does sport' and gets pissed in the Naafi/Mess every night.

"Quiet, professional types" don't get anywhere because the Army is full of c*nts these days.
 
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armadillo

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#10
Perish the very thought!.........The OP however.......:grin:

hmm methinks he may be from the Genus stackerstackerus a life form that slipped into the genepool whilst the lifeguard was not looking, the amoebas were very upset about this, plankton went of and sulked and the trilobytes wondered what the fuss is about, can be identified by the callous inbetween the webbing of the index finger and thumb. Scientists have a theory it is caused by blanket counting rituals though no supplementary evidence exists. Can be found on the forums of Arsse quite regulary often in the vicinity of [sic] jarrod. Do not approach, and never ever engage in conversation, because somewhere a fairy dies and we all know the RAF are keen on retention ...
 
#11
I have read threads on here about crap clerks. I have seen numerous crap clerks get promoted apparently based on the fact that they are oustspoken or they make a point of kissing arse. I must own up to not doing either of these pre-requisites for promotion in the SPS. I go about my business quietly and I like to think I do an excellent job. The lads in my Coy say so (and the infantry don't like to blow smoke up a crap clerk's arse) the other clerks all say so and the SNCOs say so. I am not shy but neither am I outspoken. All my reports acknowledge my technical ability and hard work and I am still passing my fitness tests. Should I maybe toss it off, blag my work, belittle people who come to me for help and get myself downgraded in order to get promoted or should I persevere? I have now been a full screw for 8 years and the injustice is starting to get to me.
Get out and start a new life. Just don't be surprised when you encounter exactly the same crock of shit as a civilian.
 
#13
Are you in any way, related to Stacker1?
As in highlander, "There can be only one"

On a serious note, the OP needs to ask where he came on the board. The 2010 loggie board had 210 Cpls not qualified (so couldn't get promoted) upon closer inspection Glasgow fucked up. A third of my SCLM course were not originally boarded until it was proved they were qualified.
 
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armadillo

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#14
As in highlander, "There can be only one"

On a serious note, the OP needs to ask where he came on the board. The 2010 loggie board had 210 Cpls not qualified (so couldn't get promoted) upon closer inspection Glasgow fucked up. A third of my SCLM course were not originally boarded until it was proved they were qualified.

Stacker I give you a hard time, but being serious here is it true about the **** up, as I am compiling evidence at the moment on APC Glasgow not being fit for purpose in some regards.

I know of several soldiers being passed over for promotion time after time, especially the loggies that work for me.

If you work at a non loggie unit it seems like the guys get forgotten about or worse there SJARs even though well written are not getting them the points on the board.

There seems a culture of mainstream having priority whilst those at smaller specialised units being treated as second class citizens, I think the same has happened here to the OP.

Armadillo
 
#15
Philarmy, you make some very good points, there are a few problems with the AGC (SPS) promotion system, people get promoted too early without enough experience at times, and this is an result of bad retention; the gaps need to be covered and people are promoted quickly to fill the gaps. There is also a culture in the AGC (SPS) that if you are a SNCO that you don’t always have to attend PT, in my last 2 units before leaving the Army I was the only AGC (SPS) SNCO in my unit who turned up to PT (other clerks weren’t even downgraded but still very rarely did PT), at some units I have been based at there was no organised PT; the rule was 'PT is your lunchtime or your own time' which completely goes against the whole theory of 'Fit to fight' and 'Soldier first.'

At lot of the time promotion seems to help if your 'face fits' in the detachment/unit where you work, terrible clerks have been promoted because they were the RAOWO's drinking buddy whilst knowing nothing about their job, whilst outstanding clerks have been passed over for promotion because they were too quiet or did not socialise with the right people (a 'who you know not what you know culture), this is not always the case but does happen.

The RSM at Worthless Down (in 2005) said 1/3 of the Corps were outstanding, 1/3 worked hard and the other 1/3 were rubbish and should not be in the Army (the RSM's quote not mine), the last section always let the other two sections down and give the rest of the hard working teams a bad name.
 
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BlueDZ

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#16
In another part of the AGC family, I know of a person who was really bad at her job, didn't know the correct legislation and had to come to me and my mates for advice, flapped under pressure and took it out on people junior to her, even making one person stand outside because he wound her up. Anyway she was very good at a certain sport, got medals and things, the headshed thought this was fantastic and treat her like David bloody Beckham! Even though she featured in the bottom half of the top ten Cpls the OC pushed for her promotion, explaining he needed a role for a certain job. Surprise surprise she got it a few months after the board. Que Cpl revolt, angry mobs and even a Platoon Comd writing a 4 page letter on why she shouldn't be promoted. It was ignored. On the flip side because people higher up the quality line than her missed out they kicked off and two of those got promoted!
 
#17
It is still a sad fact that how your SJAR is received at the board largely depends on your 2RO's ability to write in a punchy concise way. He may write the best puff in the world, but unless it contains that mystic formula of placement amongst peers, willingness to employ in the higher rank, selfless commitment to mess/army/wider community and contains that all to important phrase 'top third', then it does not score well enough.

Couple this to the SPS promotion being somewhat stagnant due to the broad acceptance of VEng two years ago. It is far from a very happy situation for many.

I have no pearls of wisdom or even words of comfort to offer.
 
#18
IShould I maybe toss it off, blag my work, belittle people who come to me for help and get myself downgraded in order to get promoted or should I persevere? I have now been a full screw for 8 years and the injustice is starting to get to me.
May I suggest drying your eyes princess and having yourself a nice big cup of man the F*ck up. It won’t get you promoted but it might stop you behaving like a big wet, dripping girlie clerk ^~
 
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armadillo

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#19
May I suggest drying your eyes princess and having yourself a nice big cup of man the F*ck up. It won’t get you promoted but it might stop you behaving like a big wet, dripping girlie clerk ^~
Are you still serving? If not STFU. I have to fight this every year when a few of my guys and girls are passed over by people younger and dumber than them. The system is broke at the moment and it is unfair, plus if you dont get promoted there is the real possiblity of being made redundant. Morale is low at the moment in various corps, and comments like dry your eyes does not help.

Nuff said
 
#20
Are you still serving? If not STFU. I have to fight this every year when a few of my guys and girls are passed over by people younger and dumber than them. The system is broke at the moment and it is unfair, plus if you dont get promoted there is the real possiblity of being made redundant. Morale is low at the moment in various corps, and comments like dry your eyes does not help.

Nuff said
Get over yourself and learn to recognise a joke when you see it, you never know it might just help you get promoted.

In my limited (28 years and still going by the way) experience, the vast majority (not all) of people who do not get promoted don’t because they are not as good as the people who did. It really is as simple as that.

Yes there are injustices, as there are in every walk of life, however, most people are really bad at accepting their failings and the fact that there are better people out there in a highly competitive environment.

People who have a ‘whinge’ (the opening posters words) generally let the world know about their good points and never seem to mention their own failings. I would advise a little more self analysis rather than focusing on what others may or may not be doing may be prudent sometimes.

Nuff said
 

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