WWII vintage kit still on issue

#1
Here's a thought. How much WWII era kit is still on issue in the army of the 21st century?

Ok, so i left in '98 but at the time there were things like.


Binos. Yep, there were still some WWII dated binos in the stores.

Machetes. Got a shed load of 1945 dated machetes whenever we went off to the jungle..much better than the crap modern ones.

Millbank bags. last time i went to Brunei in '97 we were issued brand new, straight off the shelves and 1945 dated millbank bags (water filter bags).

First aid kit bag. I'm sure you've all seen the '37 pattern webbing first aid kit bags around.


Anymore?

I'm thinking actual WWII dated stuff rather than items who's design hasn't changed since the war, like the prismatic compasses.
 
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#3
When I was in Belize in 1990-91 we were still issued with 1944 pattern 'jungle webbing', much of which was still WW2 dated.
 
#4
Some of the ancillaries in our sigs stores look about that vintage. Especially the winding machines.
 
#5
chickenpunk said:
When I was in Belize in 1990-91 we were still issued with 1944 pattern 'jungle webbing', much of which was still WW2 dated.
You must have been a Gloster?

We took over from you in 91 and we used our normal 58 pattern. Never saw any 44 pattern over there.

I was in Salamanca and spent the first four weeks of the tour on patrol. Hot.
 
#6
I've still got a 1945 dated mess tin set I did'nt hand back
 
#7
Have heard about some units having .303s in the armoury still.

Some stretchers are ww2 on ranges.
 
#11
Let's not forget the good old AFV 432. There are 2 still in service that date back to 1951...which is only just beyond the dates under discussion here.

Interestingly enough, here is the official Army view on AFV 432:

The AFV432 is NBC proof and when necessary, can be converted for swimming, when it has a water speed of 6km/h. Properly maintained, it is a rugged and reliable vehicle with a good cross country performance. The most serious drawback is the lack of vision ports for the crew and their subsequent disorientation after dismounting.
Hmmm...the glass is always half-full for our Lords and Masters, I guess!

And if you ever wanted to know what all the designations refer to, check this out!

FV 3904 Churchill VII APC

The FV 300 series. According to the profile a chassis was completed for running trials but the series was cancelled in the 1950s. The following planned versions are listed.

FV 301 Light tank armed with a 77mm gun
FV 302 Gun Position Officer/Command Post Vehicle
FV 303 20 pdr SP Anti-tank gun
FV 304 25 pdr SPG
FV 305 5.5 in. SPG
FV 306 Light Armoured Recovery Vehicle
FV 307 Radar or WT Vehicle
FV 308 Tractor Field Artillery
FV 309 Section Vehicle Royal Artillery
FV 310 APC
FV 311 Armoured Load Carrier

The FV 400 Cambridge series. As far as I am aware the Cambridge never entered service. The following vehicles were either planned or built in prototype form.

FV 401 prototype APC
FV 402 AOP
FV 403 Tractor, Light, Anti-Tank, Artillery
FV 404 Charging Vehicle
FV 405 Light General Purpose Carrier
FV 406 Command Vehicle
FV 407 Tentacle, Air Cooperation Signals Vehicle
FV 408 Armoured Ambulance
FV 409 Gun Position Officer/Command Post Vehicle

The FV 420 Series.

FV 421 Load Carrier
FV 422 APC
FV 423 Command Vehicle
FV 424 Royal Engineers Section Vehicle
FV 425 REME Section Vehicle
FV 426 Orange William Anti-Tank Guided Weapon Vehicle

The FV 430 Series. The best known is the FV 432 APC. Lesser known variants include the FV 431 load carrier, the FV 436 Green Archer Locating Radar and the FV 437 Pathfinder (prototype only - there's a picture in 'The Royal Engineers' by Terry Gander). The FV 438 was originally a Swingfire launcher but was subsequently converted into a Royal Signals Wavell vehicle when Swingfire was withdrawn. I've read that this vehicle has also been referred to as an FV 435. Any equally boring git care to confirm?

The FV 500 series. The Profile records that this series was developed in the 1940s at he same time as the FV 400s. It was intended to be fully amphibious, but development stopped when it was found that the FV 400s could be made so. I assume that none were built, even as prototypes, but the following are FV numbers listed in the Profile.

FV 501 Tracked Load Carrier (Neptune)
FV 502 Tracked Workshop Vehicle
FV 503 Tracked ARV

This then takes us up to the Warrior series. You can't say I don't get out much! :D
 
#12
brass button escape compasses, part of ECWW (arctic) kit issue.


Ok, not WWII but about 1950 'ish. Each of the LPDs (Fearless and Intrepid) had a BARV (Beach Armoured Recovery Vehicle), based on the centurion chassis if memory serves.

Not bad eh? 50 year old armoured vehicle pulling brand new land rovers out of the surf. :lol:

If we go back a little bit, our LMGs were mostly '44 and '45 dated Bren guns, and i'm positive our 9 millies are about that old too, at least the design is bloody ancient.


Could also add the old riot guns which are just old WWII very pistols with an extra bit of barrel and a stock welded on the ends.

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You on about the D10 winding machines? they were defintely ancient.
 
#13
As of 2005:

Stretchers

............and quite scarily some operational ammo in the form of "Matches Fuzee" which have a 1943 manf date!!!!!!!
 
#14
cdo_gunner said:
i'm positive our 9 millies are about that old too, at least the design is bloody ancient.
If they are "Inglis" they certainly are.

the basic design dating to the mid '30s at least, is the basis of many "modern" pistols.
 
#15
The very same C_G

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they predated WW2.
 
#16
There is electrical kit on HMS Belfast that is still fitted to ships :roll:
 

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#17
RCSignals said:
cdo_gunner said:
i'm positive our 9 millies are about that old too, at least the design is bloody ancient.
If they are "Inglis" they certainly are.

the basic design dating to the mid '30s at least, is the basis of many "modern" pistols.
While many designs have been tried, the one the manufacturers keep returning to is John Moses' 'parallel rule' design - strange how he got it right over one hundred years back. I must p!ss off the 'newer is better' generation of designers !

Having said that the most accurate repeating rifle design is even older.

On the WWII kit, the reason I was told that we were issued '44 Patt webbing for Ex/Ops was that cotton webbing rotted quickly in the jungle, and using up '44 was seen as cheaper than replacing '58.
It was also several pounds lighter than the '58 after being soaked, but since when was comfort an issue with the penny-pinchers.

In '95 I was issued a 'trench mirror' designed to clip to an entrenching tool or mattock handle, 1940 dated if I remember rightly. That went straight to a mate's kids !
:lol:
 
#18
chickenpunk said:
When I was in Belize in 1990-91 we were still issued with 1944 pattern 'jungle webbing', much of which was still WW2 dated.
You can also find it dated as late as 1983, I have an ammo pouch bought for Bisley "Service Rifle" competitions which is 44 patt "for drivers use".
Apparently we were supplying parts of Africa with it!
 
#20
What about the 2" / 51mm Mortar?

The design is ancient but could some of them still be in service?

Do I remember Sydney Jarry talking about using them in the direct role in Normandy? Obviously you had to find something to brace it against.....
 

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