WWI snipers

#1
Whilst browsing you tube I came across this short clip, about WWI snipers, of interest near the end was the statement about American snipers arriving in late 1917.

Snipers in WW1 - YouTube

I thought the American military as a whole did not rush into the fighting, preferring to get fully up to speed with their training first.

Does anybody have a more exact timeline of actual US Army combat time during the Great War.
 
#2
balls the American nation,made as much doller suplying every other European country,and then jumped in on the winning side.Up to speed my arse
 
#4
Whilst browsing you tube I came across this short clip, about WWI snipers, of interest near the end was the statement about American snipers arriving in late 1917.

Snipers in WW1 - YouTube

I thought the American military as a whole did not rush into the fighting, preferring to get fully up to speed with their training first.

Does anybody have a more exact timeline of actual US Army combat time during the Great War.
Thats a fairly incoherent account of the WW1 sniper development. A good summary is in "Sniping in France" by Major Hesketh-Pritchard, which details how the early German successes were reversed by the British development of the modern sniper art. Apart from McBride (famous account of MG and sniper work in "A rifleman went to war") who was a US citizen serving as a Canadian soldier, there was insignificant contribution from US snipers in the closing months of the war - partly because static trench warfare had more or less ended by the time the US army was up to speed.
 
#5
balls the American nation,made as much doller suplying every other European country,and then jumped in on the winning side.Up to speed my arse
Your teachers should be sued for fraud. Unless of course you were raised by wildebeests than it makes sense.
 
#7
The first US soldiers to be killed in action were attached to ia French unit in Lorraine and died in November 1917. See article here Lorraine Will Build Monument to First Americans Killed - View Article - NYTimes.com This is a few miles from the village of Arracourt around which the 4th US Armoured Division trounced various German armpoured formations at Arracourt in September 1944.

The first significant US Army operation was at Cantigny 28 May 1918. One of the offciers to distinguish himself was George Marshall. The focus omn US Snipers alludes to the superior marksmanship from the traditions of US frontiersmen. The US emphasis on marksmanship led Pershing to beleive that US soldiers could succeed in the attack though their own superiority in marksmanship. This ignored all the developments of the last three eyars. The US Commanders at Cantigny fought with French artillery in spite of Pershing's doctrine. The initial failure and high cost at Beallau wood showed it to be folly.

The American Red Cross played an importnat part on the allied side for most of the Great War. No5 Base Hospital, proivided by Harvard University reported ready for duty on 31 May 1917 and played its part in the medical support for the 3rd Ypres campaign onwards. Their first casualties were Lieutenant William Fitzsimmons and privates Tugo, Woods and Rubino were killed when a German aircraft bombed the hospital on 3rd September 1917. This might mayke them the first US army bcasualties of the Great War. Miss Eva Parmelee, one of the nurses on duty was wounded and later awarded the MM. The US Nurosurgeon Henry Cushing served in 1917 at No 46 CCS at Mendighem as well as at No 5 Base Hospital. By the end of 1917 US Army Doctros were attached to British units as RMOs and so the US Army Medical Corps can claim 3rd Ypres, Cambrai and the Kaisershlacht as battle honours.
 
#9
October2-3, 1917, Corporal James B. Gresham and Privates Merle D. Hay and Thomas F. Enright become the first American troops to be killed in combat during World War I. Members of Company F, 16th Infantry, 1st Division, they are killed when Germans raid their trenches near Bathelemont, France during the night.
http://www.iptv.org/iowapathways/mypath.cfm?ounid=ob_000262

the 6th, 12th, and 14th engineers at Roye were pressed into the line as Infantry during Kaiserschlacht, March 25th, 1918 at the Amiens defence line.
 
#11
Wasn't it Pershing that cost around 3,000 kia when he insisted on launching an attack on the early morning of 11/11/18 knowing it was all due to be called off at 11am?
 

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#12
Wasn't it Pershing that lost aroung 3,000 kia when he ordered an attack on the early morning of 11/11/18 knowing it was all due to be called off at 11am?
There was a very good programe about this a while back on BBC.
The yanks took a lot of casualties on the last day in pretty pointless attacks
During one attack the Germans were waving them back until the last minute when they had to actually start fighting and shoting at the Yanks.

IIRC a lot of the blame was placed on commanders determined to make a reputation for themselves before they went back to peacetime soldering.
 
#13
There was a very good programe about this a while back on BBC.
The yanks took a lot of casualties on the last day in pretty pointless attacks
During one attack the Germans were waving them back until the last minute when they had to actually start fighting and shoting at the Yanks.

IIRC a lot of the blame was placed on commanders determined to make a reputation for themselves before they went back to peacetime soldering.
Pershing didn't need a reputation, having been selected over 820 more senior Officers to lead the AEF, having put down the Moros in the Phillipines, and having been an Instructor at West Point and a Hero of the SPanAM war and Indian fighter of repute. Many others in the AEF div command ranks did need to big themselves up for the WPPA.

Wasn't it Pershing that cost around 3,000 kia when he insisted on launching an attack on the early morning of 11/11/18 knowing it was all due to be called off at 11am?
MG William Wright orders Stenay taken on 11-11-18
William M. Wright - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pershings "reasoning"
World War I: Wasted Lives on Armistice Day

Henry N. Gunther, AEF
Henry Nicholas Gunther (1895 - 1918) - Find A Grave Memorial
 
#14
Your teachers should be sued for fraud. Unless of course you were raised by wildebeests than it makes sense.
American businesses were able to trade with either side, up until the USA declared war in 1917. The Germans were unable to trade much with the USA since the Royal Navy had control of the seas. Virtually all the US explosives supplies were sold to the Allies, which resulted in the German sabotage of the Black Tom pier.

Black Tom explosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


German submarine Deutschland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
#15
American businesses were able to trade with either side, up until the USA declared war in 1917. The Germans were unable to trade much with the USA since the Royal Navy had control of the seas. Virtually all the US explosives supplies were sold to the Allies, which resulted in the German sabotage of the Black Tom pier.

Black Tom explosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


German submarine Deutschland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Should be sued for his/her appalling literacy.

I'd love to see a single firearm, cartridge, fuze, or shell the USA sold the Kaisers Army from 1914 on. Thats sort of thing they simply did not need from the US, unlike the British and French who did from the outset purchase munitions.

SMLE: Colt (and worth a pretty drop if you find one today)
P-14 rifles: Winchester, Remington and Eddystone
Mosin-Nagants: Remington, New England Westinghouse
Winchester 1895 muskets for the Tsar
Winchester Model 07 semi auto rifles for the French army
Not counting thousands of handguns by Colt, Smith and Wesson
Belgian Mausers: Hopkins and Allen

The Lusitania had aboard 4,200 cases or Remington made .303 when torpedoed along with filled schrapnel shells.
 
#17
Should be sued for his/her appalling literacy.

I'd love to see a single firearm, cartridge, fuze, or shell the USA sold the Kaisers Army from 1914 on. Thats sort of thing they simply did not need from the US, unlike the British and French who did from the outset purchase munitions.
Do you have some problems with, what appears to be, established facts?

The merchant submarine Deutschland was able to sell her cargo at a huge profit. It would seem that US firms had no difficulties in trading with the Central Powers; there was no reason why they should, they weren't at war with them at that stage. There was some sympathy for the Germans from the large German-American immigrant population. The return cargo seems to have been strategic supplies, presumably stuff that German manufacturers couldn't easily get because of the RN blockade.

They didn't import bulky war supplies (firearms, as in your examples, or explosives as in the Black Tom incident) because they couldn't get freighters across the Atlantic. Had they been able to do so, US businesses would have been willing and able to trade with them.
 
#18
Ahh, so the original claims that we sold them guns didnt pan out so now it becomes, "Well, you would have sold them guns if they could have gotten them"

Genius really, now the US gets blamed for a theory rather then an actual act and we cant defend against a claim like that because no facts are involved.
 
#19
Ahh, so the original claims that we sold them guns didnt pan out so now it becomes, "Well, you would have sold them guns if they could have gotten them".
I'm terribly sorry, this is the internet, I hadn't bothered to read the previous opinions posted by the usual semi-literate moon howlers and rednecks and wouldn't necessarily have agreed with them if I had.

The facts seem to be that they could have bought war materials from the USA had they been able and that US businesses would have been free to sell guns, ammo and explosives had they been able to get freighters to the US ports. I think that is what I'd posted. The reality of the blockade was that they didn't get much from the US at all. The US policy may seem unwise given later US entry into the war, but it was a free market at that time.

Probably more material came through the neutral European countries. I recall one documentary in which an old Tommy recounted finding empty Blue Circle cement bags (made in Britain, sold to the Netherlands) in concrete German fortifications that he'd help capture, at immense cost to his unit, in the final months of WW1.
 
#20
To offer oblique support to One tap (Post 19 above), and without having the inclination to search for detail, did the American declaration of war only gain the slenderest of margins in favour, due in part to the significant number of representatives of German decent - or with a significant German electorate? Small wonder that there was no appitite to voluntarily embargo warlike stores to the triple Alliance.
 
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