Anglo-Saxon tradition.I think in the WW1 era the Europeans had a different "war deaths" culture to us Brits. They very much had the historical heritage of huge armies, high casualties, and the resulting bodies disposed of in mass graves. The Soviets did the same in WW2, usually without even bothering to record the identities of the casualties or even the location of the grave pits.
The British, on the other hand, post-Waterloo, experienced much smaller casualties in expeditionary and colonial conflicts, and had long tradition of interring military dead with due ceremony as normal individual burials in the hundreds of safe consecrated cemeteries in Imperial cantonments and churchyards. The effort put into CWGC and the US equivalent seem to be unique to the Anglo-Saxon tradition.
The Nivelle/Chemin des Dames offensive was the disaster too far for the French Army, leading to the mutinies. Morale was high before the battle commenced, with Nivelle and his supporters assuring everybody that the lessons of Verdun had been absorbed, and that clever artillery plans would have the poilus steam rollering the Boche.Anglo-Saxon tradition.
Difficult for the Huns, as the historical aggressors, to push anything here and the treatment of the dead has much to do with the post conflict attitude of those who survive.
Britain is lucky to have recent generations that have mostly venerated the casualties of conflict but.....’last night another soldier’ would show a different story in the 70s and 80s.
I think, and hope, the German comments are an accident in translation but remember, the Nivelle Offensive wasn’t a big plus for the Frogs so perhaps they don’t want to be reminded either.
Overall? I think there should be a combined op to open the tunnel, record the contents for posterity and then reinter the poor buggers who died there, marked as an official war grave, maintained on French soil, funded by Germany.
I don’t think they should exhumed, or repatriated.
I didn’t know about the details of the Chemin des Dames until this thread so I’m grateful to have learnt something about that part of WW1.
Its their land for one.Why are the Frogs getting the blame? Its not their soldiers, let the boxheads come up with a suggestion and let them pay for it.
And Malinowski sounds like great bloke when he's not using mechanical diggers to dig up battlefields,
Pierre Malinowski, at 34 years old a maverick ex-soldier who once worked for Jean-Marie Le Pen
Some of the French assisted the Germans to murder other Frenchmen and women. Round ups into Drancy and re-settlement in the east comes to mind.That the krauts dont care? Then its not Frances problem.
The Germans weren't there by invitation, they trashed parts of France and killed lots of French people.
Will I ****, whats a bunch of dead boxheads to me? You going to also cough up for any dead argies/iraqis/North Koreans who bodies are found in the countries they invaded?If they start a fund I'll chuck in a tenner.
They deserve a memorial and service of some kind.
You going to do the same?
Agreed. But the cost will be phenomenal, a new cemetery and the survey will bankrupt poor old Macron!FWIW, I personally think, the remains should be recovered, buried in an appropriate war cemetery. The archeology done & then re sealed/destroyed etc & leave it to the French to decide what to do with whwts left.
I thinkithas been mentioned previously but money can always be found for all manner of other things. The german government IMHO owe a duty to these men who their predecessors sent to war to treat their remains with due respect.Agreed. But the cost will be phenomenal, a new cemetery and the survey will bankrupt poor old Macron!