WW2 US Medical Personel

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  1. Hi, I`m trying to ascertain what the eqivilant rank in the US Army during WW2 would, be for a British RAMC Lance Corporal.

    Where US medic classed as Technicians, like the below badges, or just a box stand Sgt Cpl, etc.

    Can anyone help?
     

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  2. blue-sophist

    blue-sophist LE Good Egg (charities)

    Looks like Tech Sgt country from those badges ...

    Your countrymen on this site will undoubtedy advise, but looks like a sgt in anyone's language.

    Simple question ... why ask? Seems obvious.
     
  3. Specialist
    The rank of Private Specialist usually just called a Specialist had the command responsibilities and official insignia of a Private First Class, but also conveyed higher pay depending on the specialty and skill. While the official insignia was just a single chevron, it was not uncommon for commanders to authorize local use of specialist insignia which consisted of one chevron, one to six arcs depending on the pay grade of the specialist (one arc at Grade 6, six arcs at Grade 1) and a specialty symbol often identical to a specialty symbol authorized for use during World War I located between [1]

    Technicians
    On January 8, 1942, under War Department Circular No. 5, the ranks of Technician Third Grade (T/3), Technician Fourth Grade (T/4), and Technician Fifth Grade (T/5) were created and replaced the existing specialist ranks. Initially, these ranks used the same insignia as the Staff Sergeant, Sergeant, and Corporal, but on September 4, 1942, Change 1 to AR 600-35 added a "T" for "Technician" to the standard chevron design that corresponded with that grade. [2] Despite that, as with the Specialists that they replaced, unofficial insignia using a specialty symbol instead of the T were used in some units. A technician was not addressed as one such, but rather as the neighboring rank in its pay grade (T/5 as Corporal; T/4 as Sergeant; T/3 as Sergeant or Staff Sergeant). A technician did not have the authority to give commands or issue orders.
     
  4. blue-sophist

    blue-sophist LE Good Egg (charities)

    This is a wind-up.

    I assume you can tell the difference between 1, 2 and 3 stripes. Go Google, my friend. Things like "US Army Ranks" and "British Army Ranks".

    Come back some other time.
     
  5. blue-sophist

    blue-sophist LE Good Egg (charities)

    BJW ... I have looked at some of your previous posts. You have a fascination with badges and medals, which may be a better thing than "substances".

    However ... Google, young person ... you may learn a lot.
     
  6. Have tried google as you suggested, but it didn`t really help. It gave LCpl as being the same as Sgt & Cpl, in the US Army during WW2, which didn`t really help.

    Sorry but isn`t this the Military History & Militaria thread that I`m posting on? This might explain why my previous posts are of a medals and badges type substance.
     
  7. blue-sophist

    blue-sophist LE Good Egg (charities)

    Your research is crapp ...

    LCpl = PFC [broadly]

    We could argue about the relative merits of NCOs in the different Services, but we would always say the Brit ones are better ... so don't start. :wink:

    USA cpl = Brit cpl.
    USA sgt = Brit sgt.

    You are posting badges of Tech personnel, which I believe sit one level higher ... but I'm not that old!
     
  8. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

    When I enlisted in the US Army the 'Technicial' ranks as displayed in this tread were still in use.

    There was no difference in pay; however, Technicial ranks in the same grade, i. e., T-5 was one step below a Corporal in command status. In other words, a Corporal, outranked a T-5

    Here is a link to the history of the rank structure back to the days of Gen. Washington. It is a .pdf file.:

    http://ncohistory.com/files/shsr.pdf
     
  9. blue-sophist

    blue-sophist LE Good Egg (charities)

    Thaks, Trip ... getting out of my depth, and if BJW really wants to know he's old enough to research! ;-)

    Those old T-ranks were quite junior, then? I must look up the surviving one [if I care ... do I? ... No! ;-) ]
     
  10. blue-sophist

    blue-sophist LE Good Egg (charities)

    Looks like you had the answer all along, then.
     
  11. As an aside to this interesting discussion, may I add a couple of observations:

    The US Marines first used the rank of Lance Corporal in the US Indian wars in the 1830s, and it slowly died out as the size and importance of the Corps ebbed and flowed with the defense politics of the ever-growing US of the 19th Century. It was not until the defense re-organization of 1958 that the Marines re-introduced the rank of L/Cpl, along with creating parallel technical ranks in the senior enlisted ranks (E-8 and E-9).

    The Marine Corps is the only US force to use the rank of Lance Corporal. Having been one during my 12 years in the Marines as an infantry and reconnaissance operator, L/Cpls usually were the designated grenadier, automatic rifleman, or with scout-sniper platoons, a spotter, in support of a fireteam leader, the billet of a corporal in the TOE for Marine Infantry Battalions. When I did a tour as an Intel chief with a Marine Air Wing, L/Cpls were usually crew on helos, or mechanics. Plane Captains were usually Corporals and above. In my intel shop, L/Cpls were clerk-typysts until school-trained, then they came back as photo interpreters, etc.

    In reading numerous books on US Infantry in Europe (Steven J. Zaloga is a particularly prolific author, in the Osprey Srs. specifically), along with other resources on the USAAF (US Army Air Forces), technical ranks were just that: in the infantry, they were chemical warfare specialists, armourers, mechanics, air gunners, etc.; the biggest differnence between tech ranks and "straight" ranks was their lack of command as noted by other contributors. An E-4 Army Corporal would out-rank a T-5 (E-5 pay grade) in the TOE of an infantry company.

    In regards to the question at hand, Army medics were usually regular army enlisted men, as they often joined for enhanced pay in exchange for advanced medical training, rather than being draftees, at least in the early days of WW II; technical ranks were often draftees that were assigned technical jobs similar to those they held in civilian life, the idea being medics were a critical part of the Infantry TOE in contrast to the tech ranks which were somewhat looked upon as trades. Moreover, many medics were consciencious objectors with some college, (more often than not), which normally may have offered the possibility of OCS and a commission as an Army Doctor, but was negated by their CO status; they occupied a unique place in the platoon/company hierarchy in regards to leadership, and there are examples of medics rallying troops in particularly dire circumstances. Given the uncertainty of combat, it could be said that only pedants care if it's a "T" on the sleeve or a straight chevron when the stuff hits the fan!

    As casulties mounted, many technical ranks found themselves increasingly filling combat billets and subsequently becoming small unit leaders, so by the end of the War, the distinction became blurred. In the post-WW II Army, the technical ranks were replaced by the ranks of specialist, again with a similar parallel rank structure as was the case with the technical and regular NCO structure of WW II.

    Hope this is of interest, and I look forward to "meeting" more of my fellow servicemen on the boards!

    Semper Fi,

    Jeff
     
  12. blue-sophist

    blue-sophist LE Good Egg (charities)

    hey ... you have a brain!

    Welcome to ARRSE!

    Off to VA for a few weeks tomorrow ... talk later!