WW2 & The Japanese

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  1. Now in schools our children are taught about US Civil Rights with things such as Black History Month, and the Holocaust features heavily....and I have no problem at all with this, as they were disgusting times that should never be repeated.

    But having visited the Death Railway before, River Kwai & Singapore, it got me thinking.....is the war in SE Asia, such as Burma, covered at all in our curriculum? Horrendous atrocities were committed against BRITISH soldiers and civilians, so should the descendants of these poor men and women not learn about it as it could be more relevant to our own history?

    Should education not, the majority of the time, reflect our own role in history?
  2. I'd agree with that yeah, children at school learn more about the settlling of the American West and Martin Luther King than they ever do about the likes of Winston Churchill, Battle of Britain, D-Day e.t.c. maybe if they were taught about the likes of the jap prisoners of war and more important British history then they would have a decent amount of due respect for that generation. How many of todays kids could actually tell you the dates of both the World Wars? I'm guessing not that many. I for one was taught endless amounts of boring pish at school all to do with the various historys of foriegn countrys but nothing to do with our own. I didnt even know what the history behind Northern Ireland was until i joined up and was taught it, and thats a very recent and close bit of history, so theres no hope for the youngsters knowing about the efforts of many brave servicemen thousands of miles away 60 odd years ago. i've been to a few British war grave sites around the world and have felt sad that it's only taken such a short amount of time for our country to forget these brave deeds and great sacrifices.
  3. They tend to teach how the British Empire flourished on slavery, and how the concentration camp was first used by the British during the Boer War.
    I also remember being taught that Hitler was an animal loving vegetarian with stomach problems, who shagged his niece and he was generally a very naughty boy. However, him having just one testicle and the other being stashed somewhere in the Albert Hall was all a myth and was never proved with any accurate historical evidence.
  4. Regards the Japanese, despite their brutal treatment of PoW's you have to admire their blind devotion and discipline for their cause , and their willingness to fight to the death. Japanese soldiers were found as late as the 1970's I believe, on small, isolated islands in the Pacific, still ready to fight. Some of them refused to believe the war was over.

    Nowadays they're just crazy people who like hurting themselves in the name of entertainment if Takeshi's castle is anything to be believed.
  5. Too the best of my knowledge us Brits copied the Camp where we Concentrated the Boar population from the US of A who learned how to use them in their putting down of rebellions in the Philippines.
    I also understand that the Yanks picked it up from the Spanish who had used they system prior to the Spanish/American War.
    and I will stick with my long stated argument that Labour in any of it's forms has always intended to Destroy the old British values and replace it with a Socialist doctrine.
    Council houses for any girl who get put in the family way and We'll sort out immigration, get more and more impressionable, uneducated folk from overseas who can be influenced to vote Labour.
  6. In that case they are teaching b0110cks.

    From my postin the history forum....

    Should my child EVER come back spouting the common lie that the British invented the Concentration Camp, I will educate them and then educate the teacher.

    Thread here.
  7. As a man with a degree in History, it was only really one module in 3 years that I could choose that was vaguely British!
  8. It's nothing new. I attended a grammar school and a comprehensive school and never heard it mentioned at either. Except...

    During my first year at the GS, it was a well-known fact that the music teacher had been a guest of the Japanese. If the whole form behaved like little angels throughout the lesson, and he were in a good mood anyway, once in a blue moon he could be prompted to reminisce. He only ever did so with anecdotes that showed the survival of the human spirit. We never heard Eric Cliff say a word against his captors, despite invitations to do so. He was a truly gentle man who had seen much, but would say little. The first that we knew of his premature death, a couple of years later, was when we asked the maths teacher the reason for his black tie. There was nearly a riot at our not having been informed until after EC's funeral.

    Getting back to the thread, don't expect anything to change at any level of the education system. It has long been taboo to suggest that the British were ever anything other than the bad guys.
  9. One thing I do remember learning at school is learning very little about the British Empire.
    It wasn't until I saw a documentary and later read the book , by Niall Ferguson, on how powerful,rich and widespread the Empire was, many many years after I left school.

    They should teach more about it in schools, because it's influence and legacy is still being felt today.
  10. Who said that there were lots of rubbish degrees about??
  11. My grandfather was a POW of the Japanese, captured in Singapore; forced to work on the burmese railway and as a fuel loader on one of their ships. I for one will be teaching my son what his great grandfather went through.

    I am in agreement that we should teach more British history side by side with the great national events that unfold.
  12. Interesting you mentioning that,
    I know a Japanese lady who worked with the homeless in UK and inevitably there were a number of ex-servicemen. Two of them were ex-Far East POWs who had without a doubt, suffered greatly, yet they were friendly and kindless itself towards the helper and certainly showed no malice, although it would be understandable and forgivable if they did.

    In contrast, the ones who did give her stick about it (thankfully not often), were those who had no connection with the Far East war and probably never even served or lost family members, but felt that they had to bear a hatred on others' behalf.

    Maybe a moral there somewhere.
  13. Is this our problem? our FEPOW (and most other) veterans are perhaps typically stoical and decent human beings. Much like the rest of the old stereotypical native British, maybe.

    You don't see any of them ranting and carrying on in public, about how they were-, and are being, treated, nor about much else.

    Fill in the blanks and be my guest :wink:

    And do they all know there's a pot of cash set aside for FEPOW veterans if they were to claim it?
  14. My Great Grandfather was in Changi, and though I never met the man, the family have told his story. He could never forgive the Japanese for what had happened to him, and became quite big in (if I recall) an anti-Japanese movement that did things such as protest the Japanese PM visiting (by turning their backs on him etc)

    What £££ are thre FEPOW entitled to? It just seems a shame that their story of long courage and strength over years of a brutal regime is not as well known as it ought to be, and the men themselves in the most part are too modest to tell it. Our school kids can tell you all about the Holocaust or Martin Luther King but nothing about issues which may have and in many cases did affect their families.
  15. It's a different geneastion - I can provide my grandfathers life step by step - he waned move on - right or wrong