Perhaps given his previous service he might have been kept at depot or cadre training at first and therefore not deployed to France. Then if 2 Bn needed an experienced corporal then he was posted there.I understand that 1st Bns were UK based and required mobilised reservists to bring them to War Establishment, with 2nd Bns out in the Empire at nearer full strength, which explains why the 2nd were in China when the war broke out. If he was mobilised to the 1st Bn in 1914 and went to France, what would the reason for transfer to the 2nd Bn for Gallipoli be?
he definitely deployed to France, hence 1914 Star - question over claspPerhaps given his previous service he might have been kept at depot or cadre training at first and therefore not deployed to France. Then if 2 Bn needed an experienced corporal then he was posted there.
Robert Graves in his book moved between his two battalions and depots with some ease, although as an officer mobility would maybe have been greater.
On the understanding that Home Service 1st Bns required their reservists to bring them up to WFE, is there any reason that Leonard would not have arrived in August?Best that I can come up with is this:
The Bn War Diary for early/mid Nov 1914 is quite hectic, though it does record a draft of 196 men arriving on 13 Nov 14. Assuming that this draft would have included Leonard, then I can see no valid reason why he didn't qualify for the clasp to the Star.
The clasp was not authorised until October 1919 (Army Order no. 361 of 16 October 1919). Leonard had been dead over 4 years by then and, as NOK, his Mother would probably have had no wish to pursue any further claim.
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1/SWB landed France 13 Aug but it looks like Leonard didn't land until 2 November.Best as I can make it - please feel free to comment
5259 Pte Leonard Caddick
Born 1876, 42 Hill St, Blaenavon, Monmouth. Bricklayer’s labourer
Parents Eliza Caddick & Richard Wynne Caddick (deceased)
Sisters - Annie, Effie, Ella & Brother - Illtyd (Sp?)
Tattoo on right forearm My Sweetheart and crossed flags on left forearm
5 Aug 1898 - Attested Worcestershire Regiment aged 22 years & 4 months in Worcester
30 Sept 1898 - Posted to 1st Bn Worcester Regiment
16 Feb 1903 - Posted to 2nd Bn Worcester Regiment
- Home (UK) 5 Aug 1898-14 Mar 1900 (from attestation date)
- South Africa 18 Mar 1902-22 Oct 1904 (dates don’t match up – more likely to be 1900-1904)
30 Jan 1906 - Posted 1st Bn Worcester Regiment (presume to await discharge)
- Ceylon 23 Oct 1904-29 Jan 1906 (Bn sailed from Durban S Africa on 22 Oct 1904, arriving Columbo 5 Nov 1904)
4 August 1906 - Posted to Army Reserve (Class B from 5 Aug 1906)
4 Aug 1910 – Discharged on termination of his period of engagement, entered Special Reserve
4 (prob) Aug 1914 - Recalled from Special Reserve on declaration of war – issued number 11767
TBC Aug 1914 - Posted to 1st Bn South Wales Borderers
TBC Jan-Mar 1915 - Posted to 2nd Bn South Wales Borderers
- Home (Bordon, UK) 3rd Bde, 1st Div
- France (Western Front) 13 Aug 1914-TBC (poss Battles of Mons, Marne, Aisne, 1st Ypres)
LCpl Leonard Caddick - KIA Gallipoli aged 39
- Home (Rugby, UK) 87th Bde, 29th Div 12 Jan 1915-17 Mar 1915 (Bn returned from China 4 Dec 1914)
- Gallipoli 24 Apr 1915-6 July 1915 (KIA)
(war diary states ‘attack organised on the enemy sap head’ ‘13 men killed and about 30 wounded’)
South Africa (2nd Boer War) – Queen’s South Africa Medal w/clasps Johannesburg, Cape Colony, Orange Free State, King’s South Africa Medal w/clasps 1901 & 1902
WW1 – 1914 Star*, British War Medal, Victory Medal (Pip, Squeak & Wilfred)
*Denotes service as an ‘Old Contemptible - Clasp 5th AUG.–22nd NOV. 1914 instituted in 1919, requiring individual to claim (hard if KIA)
I've missed the bit about his deployment date - where was that?1/SWB landed France 13 Aug but it looks like Leonard didn't land until 2 November.
That would be in time for the clasp, but he may have been retained in a non-qualifying area for some reason before going up the line.
@FourZeroCharlieCan I use this opportunity to ask for help or advice please?
This is my grandfather, Michael Kelly. The only information I can get from his Great War service is what I can ascertain from two photographs. One photograph has him standing in front of a background with a pyramid on it, he is wearing a 'desert' uniform. The other is of him wearing the Pattern Service Dress tunic and trousers. From his cap badge he was in either, The Royal Artillery, Royal Horse Artillery or the Royal Garrison Artillery. His lower right sleeve shows 'Good Conduct' / length of service stripes (?) and upper right sleeve has an 'L'; the 'Gun layer brass sleeve badge', which suggests that he was a loader. Michael was born in 1879 in a village called Killakee (just outside Dublin) in Ireland. Any help would be appreciated.View attachment 563760
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I've been looking for over seven years for anything that I could use to cross reference him. I've had that medal card for a while now but I'm not sure if the man it belongs to is my grandfather, as you say, 'Kelly' is a very common name in Ireland. The thing that makes me uncertain about the medal card I sent is that it mentions Egypt but not France or Flanders. From the photo where he is wearing the Pattern Service Dress tunic and trousers, this looks like where he was as well. Why was Egypt mentioned on the card But not France or Flanders?
I've been looking for over seven years for anything that I could use to cross reference him. I've had that medal card for a while now but I'm not sure if the man it belongs to is my grandfather, as you say, 'Kelly' is a very common name in Ireland. The thing that makes me uncertain about the medal card I sent is that it mentions Egypt but not France or Belgium. From the photo where he is wearing the Pattern Service Dress tunic and trousers, this looks like where he was as well. Why was Egypt mentioned on the card But not France or Belgium?