WuFlu - Anti Vaxxers

[joey_deacons_lad]

don't know if posted before (don't really give a crap if it has though)

Just leave the ant vax mongs alone , if they don't want the vaccine they don't have to take up the offer

watch the rush when the pubs/clubs start refusing entry to anyone without proof of vaccination and photo id to prove they've had it

Pubs and Hotels aren't going to risk being locked down again if they can help it, they've had a bad enough year as it is

Asking questions does not make one anti vax

 

[Zemlyak]

Apparently it not like a flu. It’s more like pneumonia.

But given that both can be fatal I wouldn’t wish to catch either.

And since I’m now over 60, just had my first ever flu jab this morning.

I didn’t get an ‘I’ve been brave’ badge though.

But I’ll look forward to getting one when I get the Covid jab which I’ll have no worries about having.

 

[Zemlyak]

Anywhere from 10 to 15 years.

Vaccine Development, Testing, and Regulation | History of Vaccines

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.…

www.historyofvaccines.org

The speed that it’s been done is pretty much due to this being a global priority so resourced and programmed accordingly.

The approval of the Pfizer one also done differently, this time by the vaccine developers and the UK’s MHRA working in tandem with info being fed to MHRA as the vaccine is developed and tested, rather than waiting till stages are complete or the vaccine is fully developed and testing finished.

 

[Dredd]

don't know if posted before (don't really give a crap if it has though)

Just leave the ant vax mongs alone , if they don't want the vaccine they don't have to take up the offer

watch the rush when the pubs/clubs start refusing entry to anyone without proof of vaccination and photo id to prove they've had it

Pubs and Hotels aren't going to risk being locked down again if they can help it, they've had a bad enough year as it is

For those who have watched Contagion, there is exactly that principle applied during the vaccination process - each vial had a yellow wristband issued as well.

If the policy of lockdowns was to be followed to a logical conclusion, then this would need to be applied as we cannot assume immunity so it needs to be visibly demonstrated.

I like your idea - extended to travel as well. No vaccine? No seat on the plane. In either direction. OR full 14 day quarantine will need applied - in custody if necessary*.

* This last bit is poetic license and partly tongue-in-cheek.

 

[incendiarycutlery]

Sorry, I'm simply not buying that a vaccine can have been fully tested in less than a year no matter how many times people tell me it has. And my doubts are reinforced by the fact that a lot of testing has been skipped. "Fully tested" and "No Data Available" are contradictory statements.

This is why i recommended not using the “fully tested“ phrase as it is a red herring. You could name any medicine, or even foodstuff, that is in common usage and one would be able to write a document where you would have to write “no data available” for some interactions.
Therefore nothing is “fully tested”.

I think a better phrase is “adequately tested”. In the literal sense, not the common euphamism.

Does the testing cover the intended use of the vaccine? From what I can see it has. It has identified those areas where there is no data and has then advised against its use in those conditions.

It’s like testing anything. There will be a whole slew of conditions for which a new product on the market will not have been tested for and usually there will be advice that the product is not used outside those conditions.

 

[Ryder02]

Anywhere from 10 to 15 years.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation[/URL

 

[Fang_Farrier]

A lot of resources and money have gone in the vaccine research, both diverted from other projects and provided specially for this pandemic. Crash development projects happen in over sectors too - like the MOD and UORs.

One old example that comes to my mind was the crash development of an AEW version of the Sea King during the Falklands War. In less then ten weeks from the political go ahead it was flying from a,ship heading south.

Cancer UK were saying that Covid had put their research back 2 years.
Many projects may have to be restarted.
They anticipate a lack of trial subjects as many potential volunteers applied to Covid.
Lack of funding
Closure of labs

 

[RumRationReject]

Sorry, I'm simply not buying that a vaccine can have been fully tested in less than a year no matter how many times people tell me it has. And my doubts are reinforced by the fact that a lot of testing has been skipped. "Fully tested" and "No Data Available" are contradictory statements.

Your choice, and I respect that. my problem is with the conspiracy theorists blatantly trying to influence people with the implant (or similar) tosh.

BMW (for example) will spend years and years developing a new vehicle. The porotypes will be tested in a ceaseless variety of modes, road, weather goodness knows what else. They will eventually market what the consider to be both a road legal, and safe to operate, model.

However, its not tested for an 18 year old pikie to drive like a thing possessed, just to irritate the duty plod. When said 18 year old spins off and damages a tree whilst writing off both car and occupants the model, by your standards was unfit for market. as a variation of the possibilities was not "Fully Tested."

 

[flieslikeabeagle]

Apparently it not like a flu. It’s more like pneumonia.

But given that both can be fatal I wouldn’t wish to catch either.

It's a dry cough that wont ******* stop, then after a couple of months you can get mucus in your throat that makes you think you are going to choke and cark it during the night (every night)

It's like 2 days of screaching shits, where you can't get to the bog in time ,even though you are three feet away from it

Strangely you may only be feverish for about 24 hours

It's two weeks of fecking dreadfull headaches, followed by about seven months of continuous mild headaches

It's aching in the elbow and wrist joints , and the feet , wondering how you could have got gout so suddenly as all your toes and feet and ankle joints ache , but that only lasts badly for about a week , but continues for months

It's waking at three every morning with with screaming pain in your finger joints , and continual pins and needles in your hands and finger tips

so add all those things together, ....now imaging you get them 2000 miles away from home , and you're in a motorhome and you have to drive home when the main symptoms ease off a bit after a couple of weeks

It may just have been covid or bad flu, but I am in for my vaccine whenever and wherever they will give me it

 

[Gary Cooper]

This is why i recommended not using the “fully tested“ phrase as it is a red herring. You could name any medicine, or even foodstuff, that is in common usage and one would be able to write a document where you would have to write “no data available” for some interactions.
Therefore nothing is “fully tested”.

I think a better phrase is “adequately tested”. In the literal sense, not the common euphamism.

Does the testing cover the intended use of the vaccine? From what I can see it has. It has identified those areas where there is no data and has then advised against its use in those conditions.

It’s like testing anything. There will be a whole slew of conditions for which a new product on the market will not have been tested for and usually there will be advice that the product is not used outside those conditions.

Unfortunately the authorities went with the fully tested angle which was ridiculous in the circumstances. And unwelcome side effect may well be to reinforce anti-vax propaganda for other vaccines.

 

[Gary Cooper]

It's a dry cough that wont ******* stop, then after a couple of months you can get mucus in your throat that makes you think you are going to choke and cark it during the night (every night)

It's like 2 days of screaching shits, where you can't get to the bog in time ,even though you are three feet away from it

Strangely you may only be feverish for about 24 hours

It's two weeks of fecking dreadfull headaches, followed by about seven months of continuous mild headaches

It's aching in the elbow and wrist joints , and the feet , wondering how you could have got gout so suddenly as all your toes and feet and ankle joints ache , but that only lasts badly for about a week , but continues for months

It's waking at tree every morning with with screaming pain in your finger joints , and continual pins and needles in your hands and finger tips

so add all those things together, ....now imaging you get them 2000 miles away from home , and you're in a motorhome and you have to drive home when the main symptoms ease off a bit after a couple of weeks

Cough check.

Mucus. Some, earlier in the year.

My feet have been killing me for a couple of months. Appeared out of the blue, with pains in the ankles which I put down to a jogging injury. Then numbness in my toes and tingling in my feet. I was a bit worried about the diabetes fúcking up the nerves in my feet.

No pain in the hands but I do wake up with pins and needles.

No diarrhea, headaches or fever. My temperature is consistently low if anything. We get temperature checked twice daily at work and it's never above 36.5.

Be interesting to get an antigen test. Both my swab tests came back negative but there's some doubts about how reliable they are.

 

[Gary Cooper]

The speed that it’s been done is pretty much due to this being a global priority so resourced and programmed accordingly.

The approval of the Pfizer one also done differently, this time by the vaccine developers and the UK’s MHRA working in tandem with info being fed to MHRA as the vaccine is developed and tested, rather than waiting till stages are complete or the vaccine is fully developed and testing finished.

Yup.

Unfortunately everyone in charge has gone with the "Look at my lovely assistant's magnificent bosom while I slip this white rabbit into my top hat" angle. They drug companies don't care. They're going to make billions while being indemnified by desperate governments against being sued if things go pear shaped.

 

[incendiarycutlery]

Unfortunately the authorities went with the fully tested angle which was ridiculous in the circumstances. And unwelcome side effect may well be to reinforce anti-vax propaganda for other vaccines.

Why would it need support from actual evidence when you are doing so much for the cause based on semantics?

 

[3ToedSloth]

So questioning a vaccine with little testing from a company that's paid out 2.3 billion in fines that has also been granted immunity from prosecution makes one a "conspiracy theorist"
Seems legit.

Depends.

If you've done at least a little research on understanding the improvements in vaccine technology, how much research had already been done towards this sort of virus, how much resource has been dedicated to these vaccines, what adjustments to the clinical trial process have been made to speed things up, and the results from those clinical trials, then ask away.

If, however, your questions are solely based on a general mistrust of big-pharma because of something you read on Facebook and a gut feeling that they couldn't have developed a vaccine in under a year then you are a conspiracy theorist.

 

[lokiuk]

After watching the Conservative party tell me I can only drink a beer with a Scotch Egg and the Labour party tell me I can't buy clothes in a Welsh supermarket, I suspect it's going to be a pretty ******* big bandwagon.

It's worse than that in Wales, pubs are closing before xmas as they're banned from selling alcohol except as a takeaway service, ie unless they're a specialist micro brewery everyone will just get booze cheaper from the supermarkets

 

[flieslikeabeagle]

Fact of the matter, if you don't want the vaccine when it's your turn , don't takr the fecking vaccine

nobody GAF if an individual wants to partake , and protect themself and their family, or doesn't want to partake because a chap down the pub had an uncle whose other niece had a kid with autism because she was standing beside a chap who had been vaccinated when she was in ASDA when she was preggers

there may be a chance of side effects , don't bother and there may well be the chance of Covid-19

 

[lastwalt]

Unfortunately the authorities went with the fully tested angle which was ridiculous in the circumstances. And unwelcome side effect may well be to reinforce anti-vax propaganda for other vaccines.

Do you understand that the current UK MHRA authorisation is a temporary and limited authorisation? The idea is to start the roll-out targeted at the most vulnerable groups for whom the current level of testing has shown it be safe. At least safer than the alternative of catching COVID-19.
With the EU authorities likely to grant full approval before the end of year, they are basically allowing 4 weeks worth of vulnerable people to become ill.
By the time there is sufficient supply of the BioEnTech-Pfizer vaccine in the UK to start vaccinating anyone other than the very elderly or very vulnerable, it is highly likely that full approval will have been granted.

 

[Gary Cooper]

Do you understand that the current UK MHRA authorisation is a temporary and limited authorisation? The idea is to start the roll-out targeted at the most vulnerable groups for whom the current level of testing has shown it be safe. At least safer than the alternative of catching COVID-19.
With the EU authorities likely to grant full approval before the end of year, they are basically allowing 4 weeks worth of vulnerable people to become ill.
By the time there is sufficient supply of the BioEnTech-Pfizer vaccine in the UK to start vaccinating anyone other than the very elderly or very vulnerable, it is highly likely that full approval will have been granted.

So it's not because the Brits are smarter than everyone else then.

 

[WightMivvi]

So it's not because the Brits are smarter than everyone else then.

I agree we’re no smarter than other countries. However, on the rare occasions we get our s**t in one sock, we can be pretty damn amazing.

 

[exbleep]

I agree we’re no smarter than other countries. However, on the rare occasions we get our s**t in one sock, we can be pretty damn amazing.

And the Russians have already started their vaccinations. Is that because they are pretty damn amazing or because they've rushed it?