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WuFlu - Anti Vaxxers

Will you get the Vaccine?


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Just so you know, all but the last sentence is absolute gibberish to me and almost everybody else on the planet. If you want to sell us on a dodgy vaccine, you're going to have to speak our language, not yours.

Why should I have to convince you rather than, say, laugh at you for being a moron?

Here's the thing. You want to be trusted to make decisions but are unwilling and unable to listen to the evidence. You're a recruit with a GPMG and live link that's unwilling to listen to his sergeant. If you had enough nouse you'd know not to **** around with it; failing that you might listen to the people who have the training and experience; but no Gary "Fucknuts" Cooper is determined to be the guy who NDs into his feet.
 

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
And the priority is not saving lives, it's saving economies.
It's not just saving lives, it's keeping people well, do that and the economy will save itself.
It's like a battlefield, dead people have 'zero cost' to those still active, wounded (or in this case, infected) people have a high cost in terms of resources, divert those resources to dealing with the wounded - and call on additional resources, and the mission objective (keeping the economy moving) becomes bogged down.
In this scenario, vaccine = CBA - it's not perfect, but it'll give you more protection than without it.
 
For those that are 'waiting out' to see if there are any long-term side effects from any of the Covid vaccines - how long do you plan to wait? a year? ten? Do you consider it 'better' to risk Covid, 'Long Covid' or death than potentially impacting your own health (or as it increasingly reads, seen to have freedom of choice) in some other undefined way?
I'd just like to know how you are balancing the risks - and i've no doubt there will be many ambulance chasers medical negligence specialists doing the same.

Exactly. The vaccines, particularly the mRNA ones, just expose you to the COVID spike protein. If you get the infection, you'll be exposed to that anyway, and a load more of it while also fighting off the infection. You are WAY more likely to get an autoimmune disease from the virus than the vaccine.
 

Fang_Farrier

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
That's the problem

And the priority is not saving lives, it's saving economies.

Very true. Which is why a vaccine that would normally be tested over several years before being approved should not be approved after a few months.

Interesting selected quoting.

As I said, the amount and time of testing has not been altered, the speed is relative to the priority that this vaccine has been given in terms of removing the waiting time for committees to find a time when everyone is free.

In a drug trial in more normal times you might be waiting for a quarterly committee to come together to approve a stage.

For this vaccine those committees have sat immediately virtually.

Then there's the lab availability factor.
Instead of a workforce spread across many different products they have all been concentrating on one.
 
Interesting selected quoting.

As I said, the amount and time of testing has not been altered, the speed is relative to the priority that this vaccine has been given in terms of removing the waiting time for committees to find a time when everyone is free.

In a drug trial in more normal times you might be waiting for a quarterly committee to come together to approve a stage.

For this vaccine those committees have sat immediately virtually.

Then there's the lab availability factor.
Instead of a workforce spread across many different products they have all been concentrating on one.
And this process has been worldwide not one lab or country.
 

Fang_Farrier

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
@Gary Cooper

Another reason for increased speed in this trial was the vast numbers of volunteers who stepped forward.
(30,000 for stage 3 was a figure I heard)

In more normal times it can take a few years to recruit those sorts of numbers.
 
It’s a trap!

you know those remote thermometers everyones using to test people entering buildings?

big kick off at the nursing home....”you’re not using that on me, it sends mind control implants into peoples brains”

yes, according to conspiraloons, the red dot is a laser beam sending a coded message into your head.
 

Fang_Farrier

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Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
It’s a trap!

you know those remote thermometers everyones using to test people entering buildings?

big kick off at the nursing home....”you’re not using that on me, it sends mind control implants into peoples brains”

yes, according to conspiraloons, the red dot is a laser beam sending a coded message into your head.

They are pretty much useless in the winter due to only reading surface temperature.

Last few visits to care homes I have barely registered above 30'C
 
Interesting selected quoting.

As I said, the amount and time of testing has not been altered, the speed is relative to the priority that this vaccine has been given in terms of removing the waiting time for committees to find a time when everyone is free.

In a drug trial in more normal times you might be waiting for a quarterly committee to come together to approve a stage.

For this vaccine those committees have sat immediately virtually.

Then there's the lab availability factor.
Instead of a workforce spread across many different products they have all been concentrating on one.
Apologies for arriving late. Not sure if it’s been mentioned but many projects are delayed by having to wait for funding.
I doubt that was a problem for COVID-19 vaccine research.
Interestingly, scientists who develop a vaccine which is accepted for safe delivery, use 3m live vaccines delivered without significant side effects, as a bench mark for success.
The choice of care home patients and staff to receive the vaccine first, is a cynical but smart choice.
That 3m benchmark will be passed before front line healthcare staff are exposed to any failings.
 

Teeblerone

War Hero
It’s a trap!

you know those remote thermometers everyones using to test people entering buildings?

big kick off at the nursing home....”you’re not using that on me, it sends mind control implants into peoples brains”

yes, according to conspiraloons, the red dot is a laser beam sending a coded message into your head.
AN excellent argument for activating the taser function which is concealed in every remore IR thermometer/ And not a lot of people know that...
 

Fang_Farrier

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Apologies for arriving late. Not sure if it’s been mentioned but many projects are delayed by having to wait for funding.
I doubt that was a problem for COVID-19 vaccine research.
Interestingly, scientists who develop a vaccine which is accepted for safe delivery, use 3m live vaccines delivered without significant side effects, as a bench mark for success.
The choice of care home patients and staff to receive the vaccine first, is a cynical but smart choice.
That 3m benchmark will be passed before front line healthcare staff are exposed to any failings.

First group to be vaccinated will be the vaccinaters.
 

Fang_Farrier

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Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
30’C?
clearly you are one of the Martian lizard people overlords.

Failure to wear hat in current weather brings down the forehead skin temperature quite rapidly.

Apparently not helped by the fact that the location and density of hair has changed over the years!
 

Fang_Farrier

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Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Are you practising injecting in the arm rather than the gum?

Doubt it will actually come to doing it for real but have volunteered and done the theory training.
 

Yokel

LE
Are you practising injecting in the arm rather than the gum?

I once had to have a local anaesthetic in my knob as I had caught my foreskin in a zip. I was before puberty, thankfully. That would give anti vaxxers something to object to.

Doubt it will actually come to doing it for real but have volunteered and done the theory training.

I got threatened with IV sedation by a dentist once... Not sure why - they had me down as a nervous patient or something.
 

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