wtf - fears of Argy build up for Malvinas

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  1. Havent found an online version to link to - as yet - but front page of the Sunday Express leads with --> "Falklands Invasion Alert".

    According to the paper (and their un-named top MoD source) the garrison at the islands is being increased to 5,000 amid new fears of an invasion by Argentina. (There have been 'provocative' flights by Argentinina planes within the 'no-fly' zone).

    Unsurprisingly the large oil reserves in the area are being cited as the reason behind it all. [Who would have thought it - a war (potentially) being waged about/over oil...?]

    Interesting though the write-up is (considering the publication) - surely this cannot be serious?? Cant be much more than a bit of diplomatic sabre-rattling, due to Argentine President being a a bit 'difficult'.

    Anyways - thought would share this one. And will post a link if ever find an online version of the story.
  2. No, the reason is that under the new EU constitution the Falklands will be incorporated into Europe in the same manner as French Guyana. It will forever remove the possibility of "recovering" the islands (which Argentina has never owned, bar a couple of months in 1982).

    This leaves Argentina with a stark choice, go now, or accept that they'll never have the islands.

    "Argentina balks at Falklands in EU

    Buenos Aires, Argentina, Apr. 29 (UPI) -- Argentina is lodging a complaint with the European Union about the inclusion of the Falkland Islands in the EU constitution, La Nacion reported Friday.

    According to Foreign Minister Rafael Bielsa, Argentina's 25 ambassadors in EU countries are filing complaints with each member country.

    The Falkland Islands -- A British territory off the coast of Argentina -- have long been a point of contention between England and the South American nation.

    In 1982, the two nations waged a short-lived war over the islands, leaving some 900 people dead, mostly Argentines.

    Argentine officials are concerned that if the islands are include in the constitution as a British overseas protectorate, then their ongoing struggle to regain control of them will be waged against the European Union and not just Great Britain. "

    - Washington Times, 29 APR 05
  3. Somewhat related article regarding Argy comments/views on the islands.

    South Atlantic News Agency
    and a different comment in the same publication:

  4. The Sunday Express is a Tory rag - you'd do much better to ignore it and read 'The Independent' or 'The Guardian' instead for a better-researched and more impartial viewpoint.
  5. ^ not that my reading material either matters, or is up for debate but I read a number of publications and the Daily or Sunday Express are not normally amongst them... only bothered to get this one because of that headline.

    Anyhow - does seem that any sabre-rattling over the islands is due to the EU constitution (which is the timing behind this) and the potential huge oil reserves are the only real economic incentive.

    Still dont think anything will come of it.
  6. The Guardian or The Independant?

    Are you stupid?

    They are equally partisan and biased; if not more so. The only difference being that they are at the other end of the political spectrum, edited by plastic 'socialists'.

    As has been said before you are either a t it, or someone that is having a laugh whilst winding everyone else up.
  7. Soldier_Why

    Soldier_Why LE Moderator

    Or maybe the Argentines now realise that if they did invade we'd only be able to send 'Big Smudger' from the MT who has just come off a biff chit!

    Could be a blessing in disguise though - I seem to remember that Maggie was just about to axe a large proportion of the Naval Fleet before the last little altercation. Cue the Falklands 'conflict', result no cuts to the forces and a landslide re-election for the Tories.
  8. A particular example of Groaniad impartiality was their 8-page colour supplement about Robert Mugabe's Socialist Nirvana in Zimbabwe, published at the height of the atrocities and expulsions against the white farmers. Of the 8 pages, only the last paragraph mentioned ANYTHING about this at all.

    The Guardian is the British equivalent of Pravda, only less amusing.
  9. oh yah big cynic you!

    though probably also very right
  10. Am currently on an operation where we work with the Argies! All the Argy maps that they present have the Falkland Islands (FI) (which, unless I am mistaken, is a British Overseas Territory and the population want to remain British) marked as las Islas Malvinas (Arg) (named after 'les Iles Malouines,' the name French seal hunters, who were frequent visitors to the area in the eighteenth century, called the Islands - bloody frog/dago conspiracy! )

    The best thing is that someone has scratched las Islas Malvinas (Arg) off and put a sticker saying Falkland Islands (UK) - good work fella!

    From Bliar's speech to FI at New Year 2004

    Maybe he has got balls after all?? :roll:
  11. Don´t forget the personal wish of many politicians to have their names entered in future history books, preferably as the person who brought some disputed territory "heim ins Reich" (quoting Adolf Hitler, means home into the Empire). The current Chinese government acts the same concerning Taiwan or Russia in the Caucasus region.
    German Chancellor Helmut Kohl wanted to go down in the history books as the the man under who´s government Germany got reunified, he wouldn´t accept a transitional period to bring the East German economy to the same standards as the West (because by then he wouldn´t have been chancellor anymore), but insistzed on an immediate reunification, even though it almost bankrupted Germany´s economy (big part of our tax load goes to reunification costs).

  12. Walther

    Just out of interest is there much East/West tension within Germany?
    I understand that a huge amount of money goes East, and unemployment is sky high there.

    Was reunification a good idea?
  13. I think this is standard sabre-rattling. I can't see Argentina taking military action without a change in government. Financially ruinous wars on dodgy grounds without international support tend only to be undertaken by the US.
  14. A little bit.
    Interestingly results from the Bundeswehr recruitment tests (we still have national service and every young man has to undergo a selection board check (medical / psychological) when he is about 17) show that over the last few years there has been a sharp decline in especially mental capacity among recruits in the East. It looks as if most of the switched on, flexible people are leaving the East in huge droves, looking for jobs e.g. in the West or abroad, while the slackers and yobs stay to cash the dole money.
    What I said in the other post is that under the Communist regime, there was very little investment into the East German industry except for show off projects (which had world class standards, like the optical factories of Carl Zeiss Jena). The factories were not allowed to reinvest the profits, if they made some, but all gain had to go back into the state pockets. So there was no real incentive to improve. Also, due to the Communist ideology of having huge plants mainly based on heavy industry, many regions were an industrial monoculture of just one branch.
    Many factories still stayed on the technological level of the 1930s and 1950s, so when reunification came, there was no way they could compete with the much more modern Western factories.
    Then add the "it must be from the West!" mentality many East Germans had for the first years after reunification. E.g. many Easterners prefered a third hand rustbucket of a car made by a Western brand over a brand new Wartburg with a modern Volkswagen engine at the same price, so forcing their own jobs to disappear.
    Interestingly the only sector which proved to be economic is the agrarian sector with the huge cooperative farms. Since they were so big, they could develop industrial farming methods, which made them more efficient than the family type farms in the West.

    I think if East Germany had undergone a 10 year transitional period as a seperate economy, it would have greatly helped.
    The problem with the Kohl government was that Kohl, facing an election, didn´t want to raise taxes, but took the reunification costs out of the federal pension and social securiy fonds, which caused the big deficit we have today. He also let any East German pensioner join this fonds to get their votes, even though they have never contributed.