Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Trossachs, Mar 5, 2008.
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Would you have gone ?
Yes, without a doubt.
Would I hell. You've got to love the BBC slant on it though...
try changing that from democratically elected to communists.
Seemed like a good idea at the time .Pity the russian back side seemed to more intrested in having the right ideology than beating the fascists.
The Spanish did democratically elect communists to govern their country, at least by the standards of the time. That was the entire reason Franco tried to stage a coup- because he didn't agree with the will of the (slender) majority.
Well actually the Spanish Republic did have a democratically elected government and it wasn't a Communist one. The Popular Front (Frente Popular), a Left Wing coalition, under Manuel Azana won the elections in February 1936.
The Civil War was a result of a military revolt on July 17, 1936, was intended to be a swift coup d'Ã©tat, but was botched. General Francisco Franco flew to Spanish Morocco where the Spanish Army of Africa, led by Nationalist ranks, assumed control.
Always happy to be corrected/educated Still commies though
To be fair, The Frente Popular had many non-Socialist/Communist elements in it. Apart from the two Republican parties, there were the Galician, Basque and Catalan Nationalists. There were also the Anarchists, who never quite fitted into anyone's programme.
Thanks for your PM by the way. That was fascinating stuff.
In many ways you could say that the Spanish War was the start of the wider war against Fascism in Europe. Can't remember which writer it was, but someone penned an essay to the effect that we'll either have to face fascism in Spain or we'll be fighting them at Dover.
I liked the line - Beevers book ? - on the situation in a town recently recaptured... It was something like " While the Socialists were occupied in the town hall, setting up Committees, the Anarchists were outside, getting on with the shootings..."
I was in a bar in Glasgow maybe 15 years ago and heard an old boy singing "Bandero Rossa" ( sp ?) . At the time I did not know the significance. Now I wish I had bought him a drink.
Well, it was good enough for George Orwell, and (amongst a total of 2,100 UK nationals) a goodly number of ordinary Welsh miners http://www.rhondda-cynon-taff.gov.uk/stellent/groups/public/documents/hcst/content.hcst?lang=en&textonly=on&dDocName=015585 so I'm not inclined to nit-pick.
Question is - given the gunmint's/the nation's half-hearted efforts against "Islamofascism" in AFG - whether there is any cause these days that would excite Joe Public enough to get him/her volunteering for front-line service.
I had a Great Uncle who fought in this war - or at least, turned up. he was part of this lot (from Wikipedia):
Ireland was the only country where pro-Franco volunteers outnumbered the anti-Franco volunteers. Despite the declaration by the Irish government that participation in the war was illegal, 700 of Eoin O'Duffy's followers ("The Blueshirts") went to Spain to fight on Franco's side (around 250 other Irishmen went to fight for the Republicans). On arrival, however, the Irish contingent refused to fight the Basques for Franco, seeing parallels between their recent struggle and Basque aspirations. They saw their primary role in Spain as fighting communism, rather than defending Spain's territorial integrity. Eoin O'Duffy's men saw little fighting in Spain and were sent home by Franco after being accidentally fired on by Spanish Nationalist troops.
Not one of Ireland's most glorious military chapters, but somehow quaintly amusing - the Blueshirt's salute of "Hail O'Duffy" must have been enough to strike terror into those pesky Reds
Well, there seem to be a few British Moslems who are volunteering to support the Al Qaeda cause...
More seriously, the people who volunteer in Britain nowadays seem to go for international causes
My knee jerk reaction was "HA not a fcuking chance" and then I realised that thousands of Civies are doing exactly that.
Ever single new recruit has to know that s/he is very likely to be sent to the two way range in very short order, yet they still volunteer.
Everyones too long in the tooth these days to fight for causes. And if anyone got the idea to do so they should first read Orwell's 'Homage to Catalonia and Laurie Lee's 'A Moment of War.'
That should disabuse them of fancy notions. Perhaps MI5 ought to drop a few copies off at the troublesome mosques.
The American Henry Miller was living and bumming around in Paris trying to be a writer at the time of the Spanish Civil War.
Miller was broke and half starved as usual when Orwell turned up en route for Spain. Orwell was an admirer of Miller's writing.
Miller put him up in his wretched digs and went out and put the touch on some of his rich acquaintances. He then proceeded to wine and dine Orwell in the manner royal.
When it came time for Orwell to head off in the freezing winter towards Spain, Miller took down from a hook an angora overcoat given to him by someone rich. Even though it was the only coat he possessed he insisted that Orwell should have it.
Orwell protested saying that Miller would freeze. Miller told him not to worry, there was more of them coats from where they came from and keeping warm in a war zone was far more important.
Eventually Orwell accepted the coat and as he was leaving for the last time Miller asked him, "By the way, which side are you fighting on?"
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