Would you stay in the TA if you didnt get pay?

#1
I'm not in the TA, but am in a similar organisation here in Denmark. I've been in for 12 years now, and to be perfectly honest I'm about to jack it in.

I've finally decided that my free time is too precious to spend an entire weekend, where I only actually have fun for two or three hours, and spend the other 40 odd hours asking myself what in God's name I'm doing there.

Over here the system is such that if an activity isn't during normal 'office hours' you don't get any pay for it, and if it is you get the equivalent of unemployment benefit.

I'm not sure if getting paid would help in my situation, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

So I was wondering;

Would you have joined the TA if there was no pay or bounty?

If the system changed to one the same as ours tomorrow, would you stay in?

Cheers
T_T
 
#2
When I joined I thought it would be like cadets - where you pay each time you train and pay more for Camp etc. It was a very pleasant surprise to find we were paid and got a Bounty.

Nearly 24 years and several ops later there is no way I'd still be in without pay.

That said, if the Civil Defence Corps ever comes back as unpaid volunteer work I'd be interested........

Edited for typos.
 
#3
Yes I would. However, if I had more family commitments (children) then I might not stay if I didn't get paid like the special police don't.
 
#4
When I joined, I said that I'd do it for free and if that ever changed then I'd leave.

After nearly 8 years in, that still holds true.

However, looking at it from purely financial terms is very limited and I must admit to having very little motivation to rock up. Hopefully 1/3 of the problem will go away in the summer months...
 
#6
I personally could never get my head around how Special Constables were willing to work without pay.
However I d think that the demands that the TA Can, and must, place on it members, make payment more appropriate. (I am implying nothing about "Specials" beyond they do a shift, a Terrier does 48 hours on a w/e)

Personally, when I was in the TA, I approached it as I did when a Reg', namely I did what was expected as a job (be then a "part-time" one) and wanted to be paid accordingly.
But I always have had a mercenary streak in me!
 
#7
No way I'd do it for nothing. I'm paid for what I know and how to apply it and make the most cost effective decisions based on the circumstances, same as my civvie job.

In saying that I do know a few who would willingly give up their time for nothing.
 
#8
Oi keep it down will you, Her Indoors doesn't know about the pay or the Bounty and long may it stay that way. :wink:
 
#9
I would've joined without pay, but having now been in a few years, I know for a fact I would've jacked it in by now if it wasn't for the money. Sounds bad, but the cake and arse party's are becoming more frequent.
 
#10
Given that a number of TA soldiers have problems getting money of the Army for the training they have carried out, I would summise that they soldier simply for the love of it :D
 
#11
The pay is part of it and if there were no pay then my contribution would be more proportional to what I got out of it, e.g. on the really really pointless training weekends I might just consider staying at home with the duvet and chocolate biscuits. No travel expenses though would almost certainly make me quit if only on finanical grounds; a 120 mile round trip eight times a month in a rather unefficient car (rotary engine) doesn't come cheap. Of course I could drive a Prius or something but I'd rather not. :D
 
#12
When I started it was all about being a soldier. Shooting guns and drinking lots, and lots of beer.

Know I have too work, lessions plan's, TSI's etc it has become a career.

As soon as the fun leaves it becomes a job.

You can almost understand why people play airsoft or do military reenactment. It's like playing soldiers with out the paper work.
 
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swampmonster

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#13
you get paid?, fu,ck i was doing it for the luv of the service....bugger :)

i alway knew JPA was ripping me off...LOL
 
#14
Not mentioned yet is the value that others (and we ourselves), put on our commitment!

I do know that the “cold war” era TA (with which I am particularly familiar), was carefully costed, and was a bloody good deal for the government(s) of the day.

(The current TA/reserves, are the subject of another thread altogether).

I am certainly of the opinion, that if you “price” something too cheaply, it’s perceived value is lessened, and therefore the appreciation of whatever it is we are providing/offering - product, service, commitment - is similarly lessened. ( . . . I’m certain we’ve touched on this once before ?!).

Anyway I’m off to Google “Home Defence Force”, which I seem to remember was Thatcher’s idea of TA “Lite”, a little more sedentary, and less demanding - for defence of “key points” - and certainly more appropriate for my present circumstances/condition !!

Edited to add:

Home Guard (United Kingdom) - From Wikipedia said:
"In the 1980s, the Home Service Force was established, consisting of older ex-servicemen who could not meet Territorial Army (TA) training requirements; it was envisaged that this force, a company in every Territorial battalion, would be used to guard strategic points in the event of an emergency so as to free up the better-trained Territorial forces for more important roles. The Force was disbanded in 1993".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Home_Guard
Home Service Force - From Wikipedia said:
"The Home Service Force was a Home Guard type force established in the United Kingdom in 1982. It was linked to the Territorial Army (TA) and recruited from volunteers aged 18–60 with previous British forces (TA or regular) experience. It was introduced to guard key points and installations likely to be the target of enemy ‘special forces’ and saboteurs, so releasing other units for mobile defence roles. It was stood down in 1992".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Service_Force
 

Command_doh

LE
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#15
I know far too many people who have had their idealism in the TA/Service chipped away over the years. They wouldn't do it for free. In fact, a lot of the Senior WO's/Officers I have encountered should seriously consider paying the MOD for what they do (or more accurately DONT) do on these TRG w/e's.

I didn't do it for the money originally, but I rely on the bounty now.
 
#16
No, of course not, what kind of lunatic works for free.

We don't get pad enough, on a weekend or a camp you get a few hours sleep , you spend the rest of the time all day everyday training, if you were to work it out at an hourly rate you'd be getting a lot more than you end up with as a private or lance jack, even if it was minimum wage.
 
#17
I joined at first because i wanted to serve (sounds stupid and like a cliche i know but its true) and was still at college and at the time wasn't bothered about the pay, but now as weekends are becoming frequent (and what with the CPL expecting you to get a good few down your neck) are costing more than i'm earning as i haven't been paid a single penny in six months.

Still, spirit only slightly dampened am still parading every week without fail :D
 
#18
FlatFerret said:
I would've joined without pay, but having now been in a few years, I know for a fact I would've jacked it in by now if it wasn't for the money. Sounds bad, but the cake and arse party's are becoming more frequent.
You get cake!? :x
 
#19
PRC-349 said:
I joined at first because i wanted to serve (sounds stupid and like a cliche i know but its true) and was still at college and at the time wasn't bothered about the pay, but now as weekends are becoming frequent (and what with the CPL expecting you to get a good few down your neck) are costing more than i'm earning as i haven't been paid a single penny in six months.

Still, spirit only slightly dampened am still parading every week without fail :D
If that happened to me you wouldn't see me for dust, maybe in the old cold war days I'd have stuck around, but you could find yourself on the front line in afghanistan risking your life and health for queen and country, so you're entitled to be paid as such, get it sorted.
 

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