WORST UK employer: SCC ?

#1
I am interested to know, if anyone knows of a worse UK based emplyer than this one SCC - Europe's Largest Independent IT Group ?

Despite being contracturally obliged to have an annual salary review they just dont bother (whilst being owned by the 158th richest person in the country.)

Overtime & expenses take seven weeks or more to be paid

Sick pay is limited to 8 days annually

Use of private vehicles is reimbursed at 11 pence per mile (instead of HMRC's 40 ppm figure)

& to get a plactic cup of water is billed at 2 pence each


Bizarrely they arent on the Sunday Times list of best companies to work for


It may sound like wingeing in this economic climate, I did believe I was joining something other than some rip-off merchants
 

maguire

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#4
I am interested to know, if anyone knows of a worse UK based emplyer than this one SCC - Europe's Largest Independent IT Group ?

Despite being contracturally obliged to have an annual salary review they just dont bother (whilst being owned by the 158th richest person in the country.)

Overtime & expenses take seven weeks or more to be paid

Sick pay is limited to 8 days annually

Use of private vehicles is reimbursed at 11 pence per mile (instead of HMRC's 40 ppm figure)

& to get a plactic cup of water is billed at 2 pence each


Bizarrely they arent on the Sunday Times list of best companies to work for


It may sound like wingeing in this economic climate, I did believe I was joining something other than some rip-off merchants
I'm working for this lot at the moment as a contractor to fill in for a bit before I get a 'proper' contract again. no complaints at the minute.
as for salary review/sick pay, are you a permanent employee or on a contract? and as for the water, thought about bringing a bottle from home?
 
#5
I'm working for this lot at the moment as a contractor to fill in for a bit before I get a 'proper' contract again. no complaints at the minute.
as for salary review/sick pay, are you a permanent employee or on a contract? and as for the water, thought about bringing a bottle from home?

I am permanent now, but as a contractor they gave us all a 10% pay cut to help tide themselves over when the economy went downhill.

I am familiar with the water bottle thing, its just when I am away from my desk & fancy a drink I have to fork out (again)
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
I am permanent now, but as a contractor they gave us all a 10% pay cut to help tide themselves over when the economy went downhill.

I am familiar with the water bottle thing, its just when I am away from my desk & fancy a drink I have to fork out (again)
if you find it's that intolerable, as ever, nothing to stop you looking for something else.
 
#8
thanks for the reminder
I was just curious as to wether Im letting it all get to me, or if these things are becoming increasingly the norm?

(apologies to CQMS for intruding on his corner of the internet)
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#9
I think, you're just letting it get to you. there are (still) nice employers out there if you look, and having SCC on your cv if they are this big (I'd never heard of them till I got a call of them) will do you no harm at all will it? just stay cool and keep your eyes open, and the right opportunity will show itself. in the meantime - any courses/quals you can blag for when you do make a move?
 
#10
courses \ quals i must pay for in advance & then be reimbursed when I present a pass certificate, & any monies given to me this way will be recovered by SCC

thanks for the tips anyway
 
#12
I am interested to know, if anyone knows of a worse UK based emplyer than this one SCC - Europe's Largest Independent IT Group ?

Despite being contracturally obliged to have an annual salary review they just dont bother (whilst being owned by the 158th richest person in the country.) Many firms are not bothering with a salary review. Some public sector workers are on a 2 year pay freeze at the moment. If they had their mandatory salary review, in the current climate it could be a reduction in pay. The place I worked for is now cutting staff if they are 5 or more minutes late for work, for example.

Overtime & expenses take seven weeks or more to be paid Depends on when their payroll is run, I suppose. NHS Finance could often be 3 months late in paying. In fact, most GPs still get paid 3 months after they have incurred the expenditure.

Sick pay is limited to 8 days annually Seems about right. Over 4 days and the statutory sick pay should kick in.

Use of private vehicles is reimbursed at 11 pence per mile (instead of HMRC's 40 ppm figure) Don't use your private vehicle, then. Last place I worked at paid 17.5 ppm which has been static for 5 years. No one is obliged to use their own car.

& to get a plactic cup of water is billed at 2 pence each OK, slightly OTT. However, most companies charge for drinks at work. Last place my missus worked at took 1.40 a week for tea and coffee regardless of whether you drank it or not. Take a bottle of water in with you, I'm sure Tesco will let you have it for free if you explain the problem.


Bizarrely they arent on the Sunday Times list of best companies to work for


It may sound like wingeing in this economic climate, I did believe I was joining something other than some rip-off merchants
Surely all these points were put to you and explained when you took the job? You could only whinge if the T&Cs have been radically changed. On the sick days bit, many companies (including the aforementioned Tesco) won't pay anything for the first 3 days as the law states. Take a sickie cos you got the flu and you get docked a days pay. Some big companies won't pay until SSP kicks in so they can claim it back (or some of it).
Big companies with large payrolls lose a lot if they try and be "caring" companies. I'm afraid the days of looking after your workforce because they are your biggest assets have gone out the window as there are so many ready and willing to step into the breach.
 
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stabradop

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#13
No its free but they charge us for plastic forks spoons knifes.
Don't mean to butt in but why not bring a KFS from home, I keep one in my bag as I work at a lot of sites. Also it could be part of the company's "green" policy to reduce wastage, if you have to pay for it then less likely to waste it, same with the water, you are not paying so much for the water but for the cup
 
#15
Surely all these points were put to you and explained when you took the job? You could only whinge if the T&Cs have been radically changed. On the sick days bit, many companies (including the aforementioned Tesco) won't pay anything for the first 3 days as the law states. Take a sickie cos you got the flu and you get docked a days pay. Some big companies won't pay until SSP kicks in so they can claim it back (or some of it).
Big companies with large payrolls lose a lot if they try and be "caring" companies. I'm afraid the days of looking after your workforce because they are your biggest assets have gone out the window as there are so many ready and willing to step into the breach.
In the IT Trade that approach is a surefire technique to end up with a complete grade A **** up on your hands. Piss the wrong member of staff off and the Support teams are having to learn a complete system damm near from the begining. I've seen it happen where a company went to the wall because no one knew exactly how anything hung together. Regardless of Microsoft's much vaunted PR not one single product they sell works exactly as it says out of the box, first time. Nor do any of their products work exactly as the the Good Book says in the real world
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
In the IT Trade that approach is a surefire technique to end up with a complete grade A **** up on your hands. Piss the wrong member of staff off and the Support teams are having to learn a complete system damm near from the begining. I've seen it happen where a company went to the wall because no one knew exactly how anything hung together. Regardless of Microsoft's much vaunted PR not one single product they sell works exactly as it says out of the box, first time. Nor do any of their products work exactly as the the Good Book says in the real world
and as a consequence, the good firms go on and the bad ones go to the wall. it's always been like this.
 
#17
I am interested to know, if anyone knows of a worse UK based emplyer than this one SCC - Europe's Largest Independent IT Group ?

Despite being contracturally obliged to have an annual salary review they just dont bother (whilst being owned by the 158th richest person in the country.)

Overtime & expenses take seven weeks or more to be paid

Sick pay is limited to 8 days annually

Use of private vehicles is reimbursed at 11 pence per mile (instead of HMRC's 40 ppm figure)

& to get a plactic cup of water is billed at 2 pence each


Bizarrely they arent on the Sunday Times list of best companies to work for


It may sound like wingeing in this economic climate, I did believe I was joining something other than some rip-off merchants
Just be glad that you're not working for one of the Indian "insourcing" companies working in the UK:-

No paid sick leave - SSP only

Get pregnant - you're fired

Join a union - you're fired

You will be expected to work up to 50 hours without a break in a single shift.

You will be expected to routinely work up to 100 hours, 7 days a week.

Under no circumstances will you be paid for more than 40 hours a week. All overtime is unpaid.

You're required to have a cell phone and pay for it yourself.

You're required to be on call 24/7 and sleep with a phone beside your bed.

You're required to have broadband at home and pay for it yourself.

You'll be required to fund expenses, such as BT Openzone access, yourself.

Staff are physically assaulted by their managers to make them work harder.

They can do this because their staff are legally employed by an offshore firm that's outside the jurisdiction of English law. Their staff therefore have no protection under employment law. Oh - and they don't pay any form of tax in the UK - which is nice.
 
#19
Until a few months ago friend of my wife had an employer which offered a very wide range of benefits. However:

(1) Blackmailed staff into not taking all their contractual holiday entitlement
(2) Taking a day off sick resulted in a series of intimidatory emails and calls starting at 11.00am the same day
(3) Did not allow staff to have any form of drink, even water, at their workstations despite being a brand new building with no natural ventilation. And non functional aircon.
(4) Operated a "no unscheduled breaks" policy, which given (3) caused a number of shouting matches, walkouts and fights.
(5) Discriminated positively in favour of "minorities" so that an increasing number of useless numpties were in positions for no other reason than having ticking the "right" boxes
(6) Wasted vast amounts of time and money on compulsory diversity, health and safety and "management" training which, after a full and open tendering process, was delivered by a company owned by realtives of a senior HR manager
(7) Charged staff to park at work (middle of nowhere)
(8) Had a system that was geared to push 100% of what really is a bonus pool but called something else into the hands of 12 people
(9) A monthly performance review system that took up the best part of a whole day up to determine "eligibilty" for the paymenst that were not a bonus and that she would never see
(10) Docked £500 off the final salary of leaving staff (i.e. only those who had not read their contact properly and pushed back) for "administrative costs"
(11) Claimed not to understand why experienced staff were going long term sick with stress related illness leading to ever increasing numbers of contract staff who were not managed at all.
(12) Claimed not to understand why many new joiners (and nearly all contract staff) walked after a short time, in some cases not even making it to the end of their first week.

Who were these scumbags? IT function of an NHS Trust.

She was one of (12) and so disgusted that she wrote to Chief Executive and Board of the Trust, who responded well: immediate threat of legal action. Next stop MP, who said he is well aware that the Trust is "very troubled".
 
#20
They can do this because their staff are legally employed by an offshore firm that's outside the jurisdiction of English law. Their staff therefore have no protection under employment law. Oh - and they don't pay any form of tax in the UK - which is nice.
It doesn't matter who you work for, if you work in the UK you are bound by UK employment law including the working time directive.
 

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