Worringly! Labour is winning the fightback

#1
Has anyone else noted just how well the labour part is fighting back at the minute? A prime example was Ed Milliband on the Politics Show on Sunday when he was rubbishing Torie plans to create ‘Fee Schools’. Followed closely on Sky News with Yvette Cooper slagging of Davey Cs conference speech and then some ex-trade union minister gobbing of about Lord Ashchurch’s tax status.

I don’t personally give a monkey’s about the policy per sey but am pissed of with the presenter letting him gob of on and on with his propaganda message whilst not explaining how he would sort out the problem in his own department! – incidentally Milliband came across as a right smarmy arrogant twat who you’d want to punch ten bells of shit out off!

He’s not alone they’ve all came out the bunker in the last few days confidently predicting the chaos a Torie win would cause the country whilst accepting no blame for their own policies but the interviewers are letting them get away with it!

What grips my shit the most is that the Tories are likely to lose this election because they are not fighting back – if all the great unwashed hear is the Labour spin machine and its ‘Strength Thru Joy’ propaganda then more fool Davey C for sitting back and letting them get away with it!

I hate all politicians but as it happens Labour the most at the minute – I’m just hoping there is at least one person in one of the opposition parties with the spine to fight back and some TV interviewers who will tell them all (all parties) to shut the fuck up in mid diatribe and answer the fucking question honestly for the first time in their lives!!!!

PS - Horrible Thought for the day

Strangely enough the only politician in Britain who is actually capable of being articulate and appearing to have conviction in his own views is that twat George Galloway who if he was even a half way normal guy still in Labour Party would probably be the leader! – due to the complete absence of anyone else with the slightest personality.
 
#2
Indeed. I too am very concerned that all the Conservatives are doing is lying down on the pavement curled up in a ball whilst Labour kick ten bells out of them in any debate. Labour are the masters of manipulation and people are falling for it (still)!
 
#3
Head Gear

I am with you on this one, the Tories need to pull their finger out, or this lot will be back in the Kremlin, opps I mean Number 10

Aye

Magic
 
#4
Speedy said:
Indeed. I too am very concerned that all the Conservatives are doing is lying down on the pavement curled up in a ball whilst Labour kick ten bells out of them in any debate. Labour are the masters of manipulation and people are falling for it (still)!
You have Tim Bell to thank for starting the ball rolling on that one...
 
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#5
This is, of course, pure speculation on my part, but the current Labour resurgence appears to result from a curious lack of dynamism on the part of the Conservatives in recent weeks coupled with the orchestrations of Mandelson and Campbell for Labour. Although both of the latter have, quite rightly, been the subjects of frequent vilification on this site, nobody can surely deny that they are pretty good at what they do - it doesn't take the brains of an archbishop to work out why the PM brought them back.

The glimmer of hope in favour of those wishing to see change at the forthcoming election is that there still remains adequate time for Brown to drop another massive clanger or two. Since he has proven time after time to be both negligent and incompetent, we should not have to hold our collective breath waiting.
 
#6
I hear what you are saying, however with no election date set I think the Tories are keeping their powder dry until the campaign itself.

However - if Labour do win it (as others have posted) will allow the true extent of the rot to unfold under their administration. If they were to win I reckon they would only have a majority in single figures and would be forced to go to the country again within two years - this time destroyed and reduced to the status the Liberals have enjoyed for nearly a century.
 
#7
FARMBOY said:
I hear what you are saying, however with no election date set I think the Tories are keeping their powder dry until the campaign itself.

However - if Labour do win it (as others have posted) will allow the true extent of the rot to unfold under their administration. If they were to win I reckon they would only have a majority in single figures and would be forced to go to the country again within two years - this time destroyed and reduced to the status the Liberals have enjoyed for nearly a century.
Or more likely, the status the Tories enjoyed post-Major for a decade.
 
#8
Perhaps the Conservatives want to lose this one (it's been well documented why they should)? Playing the long game and ensuring Labour destroy themsleves in a final mismanaged term?
 
#9
Why is it worrying? It's democracy in action surely, just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat.

Oh and the reason Labour are seemingly creeping back up is probably due to Conservatives being shown as being bankrupt when it comes to policy.
They took for granted the fact that the government where taking a kicking in the recesion (all governments were).
What they didn't/haven't done is come up with any ideas.
 
#10
It's not a fight back it's their final dance of death.

If labour win I'll donate £25 of your english quids to H4H.
 
#11
I would say that the constant drip-drip-drip of monotonous Gordy-bashing is having a reverse effect. Brits still largely have a sense of fair play and the frenzy with which pretty much every interested party has gone after him personally for the slightest little thing offends decency.

I've deliberately tactically voted ABL for the last few years but have to admit I'd permit myself a vicious smile if he got back in just at the thought of the frothing rage being generated in the Home Counties.
 
#12
I have a feeling that Call-Me-Dave is playing his cards close to his chest for a reason. We all know that there is to be a General Election quite soon and the Labour Party have well and trully f*cked the country. What they need now are new ideas to sort the mes out and they are out of ideas.

You should also remember that when the Conservatives put forward ideas as potential policies about two years ago, Labour nicked most of them, called them their own and took the credit whilst rubbishing the Conservatives on he ideas that he Government did not take up.

I reckon that Call-Me-Dave will not release any significant policies until Proclamation of dissolution and issue of writ which signals the end of the current Parliament and is the starting gun for the General Election. Only then will they release their full manifesto and catch Labour out.
 
#13
llech said:
Why is it worrying? It's democracy in action surely, just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat.

Oh and the reason Labour are seemingly creeping back up is probably due to Conservatives being shown as being bankrupt when it comes to policy.
They took for granted the fact that the government where taking a kicking in the recesion (all governments were).
What they didn't/haven't done is come up with any ideas.
Labour policy works for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland but is bankrupt as far as England is concerned.

The Tories are really an English party and Labour the sum of the Celtic vote. Time to go our separate ways, then we will see whose policies really work :wink:

Tories should drop their unionist stance and concentrate on working for who votes for them, the people of England.
 
#14
Bonzo_Dog said:
You should also remember that when the Conservatives put forward ideas as potential policies about two years ago, Labour nicked most of them, called them their own and took the credit whilst rubbishing the Conservatives on he ideas that he Government did not take up.
Perhaps this should be stuck in the 'Reasons for not voting Conservative' thread - we're already being governed according to Conservative policy and look where it's got us! :twisted:
 
#15
llech said:
Why is it worrying? It's democracy in action surely, just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat.

Oh and the reason Labour are seemingly creeping back up is probably due to Conservatives being shown as being bankrupt when it comes to policy.
They took for granted the fact that the government where taking a kicking in the recesion (all governments were).
What they didn't/haven't done is come up with any ideas.
But none of that matters, because most people treat the policitical party they support like a football team - so they want their bankrupt party to win, rather than another bankrupt party.
 
#16
Well if you look at the latest yougov update you will see that the Tories have regained a few percent. The problem is that too many people are taking these pissy little surveys as the definitive results of election day.

How many here have submitted their opinion for the election to be taken in to account.?
 
#17
smartascarrots said:
Bonzo_Dog said:
You should also remember that when the Conservatives put forward ideas as potential policies about two years ago, Labour nicked most of them, called them their own and took the credit whilst rubbishing the Conservatives on he ideas that he Government did not take up.
Perhaps this should be stuck in the 'Reasons for not voting Conservative' thread - we're already being governed according to Conservative policy and look where it's got us! :twisted:
Nice spin there. Of course, not all Government policies have been put forward by the Conservatives, just the ones that Brown thought were good but nobody in his Government had thought of. :D
 
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#18
Speedy said:
Perhaps the Conservatives want to lose this one (it's been well documented why they should)? Playing the long game and ensuring Labour destroy themsleves in a final mismanaged term?
It's a thought, but since most politicians are slaves to expedience and have terminally short attention spans, I have my doubts.
 
#19
Bonzo_Dog said:
smartascarrots said:
Bonzo_Dog said:
You should also remember that when the Conservatives put forward ideas as potential policies about two years ago, Labour nicked most of them, called them their own and took the credit whilst rubbishing the Conservatives on he ideas that he Government did not take up.
Perhaps this should be stuck in the 'Reasons for not voting Conservative' thread - we're already being governed according to Conservative policy and look where it's got us! :twisted:
Nice spin there. Of course, not all Government policies have been put forward by the Conservatives, just the ones that Brown thought were good but nobody in his Government had thought of. :D
It's not exactly like it's a state secret, though. Peter Hain openly stated on a TV interview that during the Blair years government policy was to wait for the Tories to float a policy and then nick it.

Like A_L alluded to earlier, people don't think enough about what policies are being enacted but obsess about who delivers them. Isn't one definition of insanity to try the same failed action over and over but expect a different result?
 
#20
Speedy said:
Perhaps the Conservatives want to lose this one (it's been well documented why they should)? Playing the long game and ensuring Labour destroy themsleves in a final mismanaged term?
Labour have already destroyed themselves. If they win another term, they'll destroy the country too.

When Dave was elected as Tory leader, he promised an end to "punch and judy" politics. People were getting sick of the obsessive point scoring and childish bickering between politicians who appeared to have nothing better to do. Epic fail as Dave spent time in Salford with a photographer trying to recreate the cover of a famous Smiths album (starring Dave instead of Morrissey) while Hazel Blears and a bunch of 'anti-toff' protesters pursued him.

He's taken this too far. He is missing too many open goals. When Labour went ape sh1t over Lord Ashcroft's non-dom status yesterday, it was left to Tory bloggers like Ian Dale to produce a rebuttal list of Labour's non-dom, millionaire donors. That sort of stuff should have been on Dave's Blackberry.

I just hope that Dave has a painting of the laughing cavalier hanging in Castle Cameron with a wall safe behind it. Within the safe is a document titled 'Operation Blitzkreig' or something similar. Hopefully, once the election is called, Parliament is dissolved and the Civil Contingencies Act can't be invoked, we'll get a sh1t storm of photos of Gordon in a nappy, slightly built No 10 office juniors with black eyes and receipts for under aged rent boys.

Any photos of the two Labour MPs and former unionistas who recently drank until they puked in an expenses funded 'champagne drinking contest' while on a fact finding mission in the finest hotels Paris will be gratefully received.

Are you a waiter at the the Georges V hotel? Have you got a camera phone? Did two tw@ts in red, polyester ties and, gulp, off the peg suits recently disgrace themselves in the hotel bar while speaking in an incomprehensible dialect of English? If so, call Dave for a good time on 0898 ......
 

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