Worlds Biggest Dictator ever

#1
We have had the best and worst generals of all time, and even the greatest victories, So how about the worlds biggest dictator ever.

My nomination goes to Joseph Stalin (1879 - 1953)

One of the most powerful and murderous dictators in human history, Stalin was the supreme ruler of the Soviet Union for a quarter of a century. His regime of terror caused the death and suffering of tens of millions of his subjects, but he was also in charge of the war machine that played a significant role in the defeat of Hitler's armies during World War II.

A Georgian by birth, Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili grew up in modest circumstances and only learned Russian at school. He studied at a theological seminary but never graduated, instead embarking on a life as a professional revolutionary. This included robbing banks to fill the Bolshevik party chest and spending years in Siberian exile.

Stalin was not one of the decisive players in the Bolshevik seizure of power in 1917, but he soon rose in the ranks. In 1922 he was made General Secretary of the Communist Party, a post which was not considered particularly significant at the time but nevertheless became the base from which he launched his bid for supreme power.

After Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin promoted himself as his political heir and gradually outmanoeuvred rivals. Unlike Trotsky, Stalin believed that socialism could be introduced in one country without being accompanied by a world revolution. By the late 1920s, Stalin was effectively the dictator of the Soviet Union.

His forced collectivisation of agriculture cost million of lives, while his industrialisation programme made his country militarily strong but provided little material welfare for its citizens. Moreover, the population suffered immensely during the Great Terror of the 1930s, during which Stalin and his henchmen purged the Party of 'enemies of the people' and sent millions to the Gulag system of slave labour camps.

The purges severely depleted the Red Army officer corps, and despite many warnings, Stalin was ill prepared for Hitler's massive attack on the Soviet Union in June 1941. His political future hung in the balance, but he recovered to lead his country to victory. As usual with Stalin, the human cost was enormous, but that mattered little to him. His general disregard for human lives included his own family - his eldest son perished in German captivity, his second wife committed suicide, and many in-laws were caught up in the terror.

After World War II, the Soviet Union entered the nuclear age and ruled over an empire which included most of Eastern Europe. Increasingly paranoid, Stalin himself became a victim of the fear he had induced in his subjects. Having suffered a stroke at night, he lay helpless on his floor for many hours, because no one dared disturb him. He died on 5 March 1953.

A large part of the Soviet population reacted to his death with hysterical grief, but soon his former comrades-in-arms denounced his policies of terror and persecution. Today, Stalinism is a symbol of totalitarian rule and limitless personal power. His birth home in Gori forms part of the Stalin Museum, a bizarre and somewhat eerie Soviet monument to one of history's most bloodthirsty tyrants.
 
#4
Biggest dictator? - Idi Amin (VC) must have been twenty five stone at least.
 
#5
Oh dear you've done it now. Just you wait until KGBbore comes on and puts you right about how fluffy and cuddly Stalin really was. He didn't really hurt anybody and was just missunderstood. :roll:
 
#6
He can try you mean considering Stalin Killed more of his own people, than hitler did jews, i dont think you can refute the evidence
 
#7
Sabre said:
He can try you mean considering Stalin Killed more of his own people, than hitler did jews, i dont think you can refute the evidence
Evidence or not some will still refute it :roll:


I somehow think it's a bit tasteless to thing of these people in some kind of league table. It's a matter of perspective too. If you're jewish then Adolf is probably your man,cambodian then Pol Pot.
 
#8
In terms of percentage of own population killed, Pol Pot is the man. In terms of sheer volume, Iosif Vissarionovich made the Austrian Corporal look like a pussy cat.
 
#9
Shall I now summarise the basic arguments the KGBore will come out with?

1. The casualty figures are unreliable, and anti-Russia propaganda, probably disseminated by the CIA.
2. Stalin wasn't so bad, otherwise why would so many people have expressed their grief (as seen on Soviet newsreels and reported in Pravda) - the people really loved him, and people who went to the Gulag were glad to be able to pay their debt to the Motherland for their crimes, of which they were of course guilty, through honest labour.
3. This is all an American plot to spread disinformation about Soviet Russia.
4. All those shot deserved it because they were spies, diversionaries and lackeys of the Imperialist West.
5. The Cheka-GB were only interested in objective guilt, so all people in Gulag and shot were guilty of their crimes which were proved beyond all doubt in fair and impartial court proceedings.
6. There were no political prisoners imprisoned and shot for their political beliefs, only criminals.
7. Soviet concept of guilt far superior to bourgeois Western ideas.
8. The Organs of the State were infallible due to their sense of Revolutionary Justice (far superior to borgeois concepts), so an accusation was enough to prove guilt.
9. All Kulaks were exploiters of labour and deserved to be shot.

That's enough for the minute. :twisted:
 

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#10
My vote - Mousey Dung, or however you care to spell it. Killed tens of millions of his own people, mostly through starvation caused by his own idiotic ideas.

If not for him, china would probably be a superpower already, instead of in ten years time as is the case now.
 
#11
I do believe I will have to agree with Sabre on this one that Stalin is "the man" - although Pol Pot and Hussein look pretty good as nominees for The Tin Pot Award under the category Dictator - Long term annihilation of their own people. Hitler, Amin, Mugabe, Ceaucescu, Mao and Pinochet would also have to be in my Top 10.
 
#12
mizkrissi said:
I do believe I will have to agree with Sabre on this one that Stalin is "the man"
Closely followed by Margeret Thatcher.

Hitler, Amin, Mugabe, Ceaucescu, Mao and Pinochet would also have to be in my Top 10.
Where would Howard rank Miz? About number 11?
 
#13
I vote for King Zog, of Albania. Just 'cause it's a funny name. :D
 
#14
Mao Tsa Tung, reputed 20 mil in famine mid 50s then the great Culteral Revolution.
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#16
I'm biased of course (as Russian) but I vote for Stalin.

Millions were victims of political oppressions. Who knows could Stalin build powerful industry and defeat Hitler without his dictatorships? But he would be killed anyway (without dictatorship) and another (maybe very weak) dictator would be at power.

Can we blame German or Italian peoples for Fascism? Probably not. Fascism was a logical result of development of respective societies. And Russia (Soviet Union) was not prepared for democracy that time.

PS. Btw, Iraqi society is not prepared for democracy too.
 
#18
OldSnowy said:
My vote - Mousey Dung, or however you care to spell it. Killed tens of millions of his own people, mostly through starvation caused by his own idiotic ideas.

If not for him, china would probably be a superpower already, instead of in ten years time as is the case now.
Yep, he's got to be right up there, Mao Zedong, responsible for a lot of deaths.

Feckin loony tune award has to go to Pol Pot in my opinion, completely sick individual.

You might also want to consider the ancient Egyptian Pharoahs as being big dictators in a sense who were well into slavery, but certainly achieved a great deal.
 
#19
that last Mao stat sounds a tad large, but as far as i'm aware, the 'Great Leap Forward' was a massive killer without taking account of other policies etc.

the idea was to collectivize rural small scale industry, contradicting the relatively successful soviet model of heavy industrial growth. apparently each communal unit had its own pig iron forge, the result was inefficient growth and a distraction from the main priority-growing food. widespread drought exaserbated the policy which proved to be utter cr*p.

my vote goes to Mao, with a little help from mother nature.
 
#20
Mao was a total nutter - he thought that communism was an underlying principle of the universe, and that if crops were planted as close together as possible the individual plants would help each other grow, and thereby contradicting 10,000 years of agricultural knowledge and technique. Of course, the crops all failed and millions died in the resulting famine, which was exacerbated by the fact that the peasants had melted down all their tools and utensils to meet the ridiculous quotas for the production of steel in backyard furnaces (which also caused deforestation due to the amount of wood requried for all this).
 

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