World War II’s Strangest Battle

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Fang_Farrier

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Several instances in places such as Syria where Allies, including Free French, were fighting Vichy French.
 
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Equally strange was the Christmas truce of 1914.
Not really. There's many records of truces throughout history. The French and British troops in the Napoleonic Wars even exchanged mail for friends they could no longer contact directly (ie British troops with friends in France could give mail to French sentries who would post it on and vice versa).

Making war over Christmas was probably stranger until the early 20th century.


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Not really. There's many records of truces throughout history. The French and British troops in the Napoleonic Wars even exchanged mail for friends they could no longer contact directly (ie British troops with friends in France could give mail to French sentries who would post it on and vice versa).

Making war over Christmas was probably stranger until the early 20th century.


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Many years ago I either read or heard this about the Christmas Truce and just had to write it down ....

The Christmas Truce of 1914 was the final twitch of the 19th Century in
being the last public moment at which it was assumed that people were nice .
Further it was also the last gesture that human beings were getting better the
longer the human race existed .
 

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Many years ago I either read or heard this about the Christmas Truce and just had to write it down ....
Then you need to read Panzer Commander by Hans von Luck (or else google the string to the left of these brackets and check out his Wikipedia entry which recalls:

On 8 November (1942) Luck received two additional recce battalions in support, and continued operations to ensure the safety of the Afrikakorps southern flank. During the next days there were frequent encounters with British patrols seeking alternative paths to outflank the Germans. On one occasion Luck, facing the Royal Dragoons regiment, received a radio transmission from the British asking about the well being of a British patrol gone missing. Luck confirmed that the men had been captured, and were in fine form. After this a regular 5 pm cease fire was established, and the two sides swapped information about men captured and their conditions.[10]

His autobiography goes on to relate how a German patrol broke this cease fire and captured a British truck. In order to appease the Royal Dragoons and maintain the cease fire, Luck ordered (something like: it's been a while since I read it) that the captured British truck be left out along with a German truck so that a British patrol might recover it and the status quo will be maintained.
 

AlienFTM

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He also became a great friend of John Howard (Ox and Bucks) and the pair of them used to conduct Staff College Normandy Battlefield tours. HvL used to teach the Staff College his defence in the face of Op Goodwood as the DS solution for Defence in Depth (so I am told).
 
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As I recall the Brits rearmed Japanese troops to assist in keeping order in some of the recaptured far East countries. Certainly a lot of German functionaries continued in office after the allies arrived to maintain the status quo, unlike Iraq where the existing civil structures were disbanded and chaos reigned(s). Needs must where the devil drives.

During the Warsaw uprising the partisans would cease fire while the Wermacht wiped out SS patrols before resuming the original firefight. That was in 'Reign of hell' by historian S.Hassel, so it must be true.
 

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As I recall the Brits rearmed Japanese troops to assist in keeping order in some of the recaptured far East countries. Certainly a lot of German functionaries continued in office after the allies arrived to maintain the status quo, unlike Iraq where the existing civil structures were disbanded and chaos reigned(s). Needs must where the devil drives.

During the Warsaw uprising the partisans would cease fire while the Wermacht wiped out SS patrols before resuming the original firefight. That was in 'Reign of hell' by historian S.Hassel, so it must be true.
The British, under a major whose name escapes me, re-armed Japanese troops in what was French Indo China in order to hunt down the Viet Minh , who in turn had been fighting the nipponese. When the Viet minh refused to surrender their arms, the Japanese were enlisted to find them. Thus the British effectively started the war in Vietnam. Kind of.

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Several instances in places such as Syria where Allies, including Free French, were fighting Vichy French.
surely any battle where the french (let alone two teams of french) fought and didnt surrender first is pretty strange! ;)
 
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"...Austrian resistance fighters". Eh? Further evidence of the massive con pulled by the Austrians, getting themselves declared as 'liberated', rather than 'occupied' and rather airbrushing the inconvenient truth that the Nazis enjoyed even wider popular support in Austria than in the original Reich.
 
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"...Austrian resistance fighters". Eh? Further evidence of the massive con pulled by the Austrians, getting themselves declared as 'liberated', rather than 'occupied' and rather airbrushing the inconvenient truth that the Nazis enjoyed even wider popular support in Austria than in the original Reich.
Same bollocks as Nazi Germany being liberated, Germany and Austria fought the war not Nazi Germany.
 
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As I recall the Brits rearmed Japanese troops to assist in keeping order in some of the recaptured far East countries. Certainly a lot of German functionaries continued in office after the allies arrived to maintain the status quo, unlike Iraq where the existing civil structures were disbanded and chaos reigned(s). Needs must where the devil drives.

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I have been told that in 1945 German guards were re-armed to keep order among Polish forced labourers/PW in Norway until they were processed - my source was a former Polish officer who had been part of the SHAEF team sent to Norway to deal with Polish captives.
 
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Then you need to read Panzer Commander by Hans von Luck (or else google the string to the left of these brackets and check out his Wikipedia entry which recalls......
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I believe the quote from my post originated from either during or shortly after WW1 ... but I cannot verify that ... the book you mention ... I have checked out on Amazon ...looks a good read and a copy ordered .
 
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I have been told that in 1945 German guards were re-armed to keep order among Polish forced labourers/PW in Norway until they were processed - my source was a former Polish officer who had been part of the SHAEF team sent to Norway to deal with Polish captives.
German Military Police were kept armed until 1946 as well, they kept order in POW camps under allied control.
 

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Battle of Ramree Island where 980 JApanese didn't survive combat with the crocodiles. We forced the Japs into a swamp, shot those who tried to escape from it and let nature take its course!

"Some, including naturalist Bruce Stanley Wright (who participated in the battle), claimed that the crocodiles attacked and ate numerous soldiers. Wright's description occurs in his 1962 book Wildlife Sketches Near and Far:"That night [of the 19 February 1945] was the most horrible that any member of the M.L. [motor launch] crews ever experienced. The scattered rifle shots in the pitch black swamp punctured by the screams of wounded men crushed in the jaws of huge reptiles, and the blurred worrying sound of spinning crocodiles made a cacophony of hell that has rarely been duplicated on earth. At dawn the vultures arrived to clean up what the crocodiles had left. . . . Of about one thousand Japanese soldiers that entered the swamps of Ramree, only about twenty were found alive" "
 

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