Work Experience Scheme - how a few loonies can affect national policy.

#1
Apologies if this has been covered before, but it has, all of a sudden, become rather topical:

The loony Left, out to destroy youngsters' hopes of a job - Telegraph

The Sunday Telegraph reported on this yesterday, and Boris has commented on it today: Tesco's, as of yesterday, was the latest organisation to pull out of the government's plan to get young people back to work, all due to the activities of a very small number of activists from the Socialist Workers Party.

Questions: How is it possible that such a small number of extremists can alter the opinion of such a powerful organisation so effectively? Is our society and government really as vulnerable as it seems to be to the antics of a few? =|
 

TheIronDuke

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#2
The voice of reason from ex Marks & Sparks boss Sir Stuart Rose...

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]“I think that one or two of them have shown a little less than backbone if I might say so,” he told Sky News. “I think you have got to stick with it. You can come in, you can get work experience and if you like it you can stay here and possibly get offered a job, if you don’t like it after the first week you can go away. I don’t get it, what’s the problem?”[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I wonder of Tesco's new found social conscience will extend to them paying their UK taxes rather than engaging in stunning offshore tax avoidance wheezes?[/FONT]
 
#3
Questions: How is it possible that such a small number of extremists can alter the opinion of such a powerful organisation so effectively? Is our society and government really as vulnerable as it seems to be to the antics of a few? =|
I don't think it altered the opinion of Tescos its just couldnt be arsed with its businesses being disrupted by twats who will be lightly punished at best.
 

Boldnotold

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#5
Plenty wrong with Tesco hiding their money overseas though, see Private Eyes passim ad nausem.

And also with Shirley Porter, major shareholder in this ethical company, who has still to pay over eight million quid in fines for gerrymandering. Still living abroad. Still claiming she can't afford it. And yet buying a million-pound plus townhouse in London.

Laws? They're for little people! Ethics? They're for headline-generating purposes only.
 

Boldnotold

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#7
You forgot about Vodafone.
I don't think Vodafone (or indeed Goldman Sachs or any other recently publicised tax dodgers) have made heavily publicised announcements about withdrawing from a perfectly reasonable scheme where youngsters can work whilst claiming benefit to see if they like or have a talent for a particular job.
 
#8
And also with Shirley Porter, major shareholder in this ethical company, who has still to pay over eight million quid in fines for gerrymandering. Still living abroad. Still claiming she can't afford it. And yet buying a million-pound plus townhouse in London.
As well as ensuring a few soon to be well-heeled Tories had a 'heads up' on council properties 'right to buy scheme' in the Lord North Street locale. Alan Duncan must owe her a few favours? Alan you'll recall made a few bob out of selling arms while the rest of his department and many on this web site were busy in GW1.
 
#9
I don't think Vodafone (or indeed Goldman Sachs or any other recently publicised tax dodgers) have made heavily publicised announcements about withdrawing from a perfectly reasonable scheme where youngsters can work whilst claiming benefit to see if they like or have a talent for a particular job.
So why your remarks about tax avoidance ?
 
#10
Tax is only for the "little people" mugs on paye, and laws for the rich make sure they never pay tax, people like Philip Green and Simon Cowell, off shore and Israel.
 

Boldnotold

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#11
So why your remarks about tax avoidance ?
My remarks were about Tesco, one of the most unprincipled and unethical companies doing business at present. Avoiding paying their fair share of taxes is only one way they demonstrate this.

I thought this thread is about them pretending to come over all ethical about employing youngsters who are being paid benefits. My point was meant to be that they ignore ethics until it suits them to gain a headline.

Your clever point about the difference between avoidance and evasion was not lost on me, I just didn't think it relevant to the point I was trying to make.
 
#12
My remarks were about Tesco, one of the most unprincipled and unethical companies doing business at present. Avoiding paying their fair share of taxes is only one way they demonstrate this.

I thought this thread is about them pretending to come over all ethical about employing youngsters who are being paid benefits. My point was meant to be that they ignore ethics until it suits them to gain a headline.

Your clever point about the difference between avoidance and evasion was not lost on me, I just didn't think it relevant to the point I was trying to make.
Its a good thing they are a business then and are there to make money rather doing the ethical thing.
 
#13
My remarks were about Tesco, one of the most unprincipled and unethical companies doing business at present. Avoiding paying their fair share of taxes is only one way they demonstrate this.

I thought this thread is about them pretending to come over all ethical about employing youngsters who are being paid benefits. My point was meant to be that they ignore ethics until it suits them to gain a headline.

Your clever point about the difference between avoidance and evasion was not lost on me, I just didn't think it relevant to the point I was trying to make.
If the Law allows it...........
 
#14
"Ethics is Ethics-Business is Business"

never confuse the two.
 

Boldnotold

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#15
Its a good thing they are a business then and are there to make money rather doing the ethical thing.
I have no problem with businesses making money. I do expect their directors to keep within the law, and the businesses to pay a fair share of taxes to contribute amongst other things to the roads and other infrastructure they use, and the education of the staff they employ. On a wider note they also should be contributing to the defence of the country!

I also have no problem with young people being on this scheme whilst earning benefits if it means they get a job and don't rely on me and my taxes to keep them in perpetuity.

I do have a problem with people employing accountants at vast expense to set up hideous webs of offshore companies lending money to one another and moving assets between companies to hide profits, however 'legal' it may be. And I also have a problem with people who have been fined not paying their fines yet continuing to take the p1ss. Whether that's the multimillionaire daughter of Tescos' founder or anyone else.
 
#16
I have no problem with businesses making money. I do expect their directors to keep within the law, and the businesses to pay a fair share of taxes to contribute amongst other things to the roads and other infrastructure they use, and the education of the staff they employ. On a wider note they also should be contributing to the defence of the country!

I also have no problem with young people being on this scheme whilst earning benefits if it means they get a job and don't rely on me and my taxes to keep them in perpetuity.

I do have a problem with people employing accountants at vast expense to set up hideous webs of offshore companies lending money to one another and moving assets between companies to hide profits, however 'legal' it may be. And I also have a problem with people who have been fined not paying their fines yet continuing to take the p1ss. Whether that's the multimillionaire daughter of Tescos' founder or anyone else.
As far as Im aware Tesco do stay within the law, and they probably do give quite a bit in tax no matter what they avoid.
Good effort with the defence of the country but they are more likely to be paying for welfare than defence.

Its a corporation's job to pay as little as possible in taxes and make as much money as possible. Its the goverments job to tighten the tax laws. If I had shares in Tesco, all I would care about is their profit.

If you could legally pay less tax, would you do it or would you care that Waynetta might not get enough benefits to pay for her fags?
 
#17
I have no problem with businesses making money. I do expect their directors to keep within the law, and the businesses to pay a fair share of taxes to contribute amongst other things to the roads and other infrastructure they use, and the education of the staff they employ. On a wider note they also should be contributing to the defence of the country!

I also have no problem with young people being on this scheme whilst earning benefits if it means they get a job and don't rely on me and my taxes to keep them in perpetuity.

I do have a problem with people employing accountants at vast expense to set up hideous webs of offshore companies lending money to one another and moving assets between companies to hide profits, however 'legal' it may be. And I also have a problem with people who have been fined not paying their fines yet continuing to take the p1ss. Whether that's the multimillionaire daughter of Tescos' founder or anyone else.
I take it you're not a business owner? Every company from sole traders to the multi's, all do their best to lower tax exposure. Those who don't go bust.
 
#18
The problem boils down to social class, much like the old argument (still ongoing) about State Secondary Schools i.e. the professional middle classes (the Twitterati, for want of a better term), have worked out that unpaid work experience stacking Tesco's shelves is not just for the chavs and the rural poor - a significant number of their children will have to do it too and that is what they don't like.
 

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#19
@ Stacker1

As ever you trail your coat looking for arguments and raising issues to enhance that.

I believe you fully understand what BNO means but choose to ignore it and continue on a pointless argumental debate.

It might be worth remembering that not all tax goes on benefits, some even goes to pay and equip the armed forces.

You ask if one could legally get away with paying less tax would they opt to pay more, well in my case I believe I have. There have been various allowances I have been entitled to but not claimed, my choice. I believe that there are many people in this country who could, but don't take their money off shore and are happy to pay taxes to their country.

Anyhoo, keep up your spurious arguments, you are becoming (in)famous for them and no doubt are now your raison d'etre.
 

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