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Woman Prisioner to be freed

#4
With sympathies to the families, it looks like Bliar has pulled strings to try to give himself a way out of a PR nightmare. Sadly, Zarqawi and his fanatics are unlikely to respond in a civilised manner.

The worst potential aspect is that it could open the floodgates to more hostage-taking. If the jundies think someone's caving in, they'll exploit what they preceive as weakness. It's just the way they think. :cry:
 
#6
Civilian_In_Green said:
Surely we can't stop them handing over the female prisoners? It is the Iraqi gov't who are considering letting them go isn't it?
CIG, you have the knack of being consistently naiive and ill-informed.

The Iraqi interim government is a puppet of the coalition. That's how it works in the real world. They can't go for a crap without asking permission from the US. This is a PR sop to Bliar and nothing more.
 
#9
claymore said:
Civilian_In_Green said:
Surely we can't stop them handing over the female prisoners? It is the Iraqi gov't who are considering letting them go isn't it?
CIG, you have the knack of being consistently naiive and ill-informed.

The Iraqi interim government is a puppet of the coalition. That's how it works in the real world. They can't go for a crap without asking permission from the US. This is a PR sop to Bliar and nothing more.
The why the hell are they caving in to the demands of the hostage-takers? They all had good, sound educations. How can they be so foolish?

If taking a UK hostage gets them nowhere then they will be less driven to take them. If taking a UK hostage gets them nothing but the SAS zipping over to throw rounds through them all then they'll almost certainly stop.

Worst course of action is to give in to them because that way they will use the same tactic again. Even I can see that, what the hell is wrong with Blair?

This is beyond a joke.


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#10
Have to agree with the train of thought here. Giving in to them over this, and that is what this amounts to, is appeasement. This will get every other hot-head thinking they can achieve something by abduction.

Its bad now, but I think this may raise the number of abductions if these scum think they can get away with it :evil:
 
#11
As much as I have greatest sympathy for the families of the hostages, WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING THERE ANYWAY???
Im sure the relevant warnings were given to ALL foreigners with regards to their own saftey while working in such a volatile area.

Its all money, money, money tho'....

When alls said and done I would hate to find myself in the position of his family.

I thought this recent report on hostages might be of interest.....(BBC News Online)



More than 100 foreign hostages have been taken in Iraq since the end of the US-led invasion. More than a dozen are known to have been executed. BBC News Online compiles a list of currently known hostage-takings and executions since the end of the US-led invasion.

Currently held hostages
Latest kidnappings:


Three foreign civilians were abducted from a house by gunmen in Baghdad on 16 September. They have been named as Americans Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong, and Briton Kenneth Bigley. Armstrong was executed by Iraqi militants believed to be linked to al-Qaeda and his body recovered, US officials have confirmed.


Australian officials are investigating a report that a militant group kidnapped two Australians on 13 September. Two other people described as East Asians were also reported to have been abducted.
Italian aid workers:


Simona Pari, Simona Torretta and two Iraqi men were seized on 7 September from a villa they were living in. Negotiations for their release are believed to be continuing.

The kidnappers are reported to have demanded the withdrawal of Italian troops from Iraq.

French journalists:



Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot were kidnapped on 21 August. Confusion has surrounded their capture and efforts to negotiate their release. It has been reported several times that their release was imminent.
Their kidnappers originally demanded the repeal of a French law banning the wearing of Muslim headscarves in government schools. They have since been reported to have demanded a ransom.

Other known hostages:



Durmus Kumdereli, Turkish, taken on 14 August
Tahsin Top, Turkish, taken on 6 August
Fereidoun Jahani, Iranian, taken on 4 August
Ali Ahmed Mousa, Somali, taken on 29 July
Aytullah Gezmen, Turkish, taken on 26 July
Ivailo Kepov, Bulgarian, taken on 27 June
Saad Sadoun, Kuwaiti, taken on 5 June
Wael Mamduh, Jordanian, taken on 12 April
Timothy Bell and William Bradley, taken on 9 April
Mohammed Rifat, Canadian, taken on 8 April

Reuters is also reporting that there are a number of unidentified hostages whose fate is unknown.

Hundreds of Iraqis, including businessmen and doctors or their relatives, have been kidnapped for ransom. This is a common phenomenon and goes largely unreported.

Executed hostages:


Nasser Juma, Egyptian, killed on 5 September
12 unnamed Nepalese hostages were killed on 31 August
Enzo Baldoni, Italian, killed on 26 August
Mohammed Mutawalli, Egyptian, killed on 10 August according to Islamist web site posting
Osman Alisan, Turkish, killed on 5 August according to Islamist web site posting
Murat Yuce, Turkish, killed on 2 August according to Islamist web site posting
Sajjad Naeem, Pakistani, killed on 28 July
Raja Azad Khan, Pakistani, killed on 28 July
Georgi Lazov, Bulgarian, killed on 13 July
Keith Matthew Maupin, American, killed on 28 June according to al-Jazeera television, but there is no official US conformation
Kim Sun-il, South Korean, killed in 22 June
Hussein Ali Alyan, Lebanese, killed on 12 June
Nick Berg, American, killed on 11 May
Fabrizio Quattrocchi, Italian, killed on 14 April
 
#12
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If taking a UK hostage gets them nowhere then they will be less driven to take them. If taking a UK hostage gets them nothing but the SAS zipping over to throw rounds through them all then they'll almost certainly stop
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They're in Fallujah, a no-go area held by the militia, and unreachable. Even if the Hereford Gun Club knew where they were, it would probably be deemed too risky an operation to mount. They are not supermen, just very good soldiers. Grow up and don't believe everything you see in the movies. The rest of it's called politics and has fcuk all to do with education.

We are not dealing with rational people here. They are Islamic fanatics who embrace death as martyrdom. They are not, as you appear to believe, amenable to reasoned discourse and persuasion. What age are you? Ten? have you got your Mum's permission to be on the internet?
 
#13
Agree with Claymore on this, they are fanatics and the words reason and rational thought are as foreign to them as black pudding is to me :wink:

They will only understand force, not appeasement or dialogue
 
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#14
OldRedCap said:
What I have never understood is why, faced with demands from terrorists of known ferocity, we do not irridate the people they want in return for their hostages? Does not have to be irridation of course - anythin (virus etc) that will kill them in a few weeks. No one has to know what it was killed them but idea could be leaaked and might slow down hostages for prisoners. Yeah - other side could do the same but we must have better medical resources to find and counteract what they did to the good guys.
Because we are the good guys...

We never give in to terrorism and terrorists

And Ireland?.... Ah...welll...yes...errm...
 
#15
OldRedCap said:
What I have never understood is why, faced with demands from terrorists of known ferocity, we do not irridate the people they want in return for their hostages? Does not have to be irridation of course - anythin (virus etc) that will kill them in a few weeks. No one has to know what it was killed them but idea could be leaaked and might slow down hostages for prisoners. Yeah - other side could do the same but we must have better medical resources to find and counteract what they did to the good guys.
That and the fact that our hostages tend to be returned in more than one piece. So far, that defies the best efforts of medical science to achieve a happy ending.
 
#16
chutley said:
fcuk being the good guys. Now the Russians are on board, go 50/50 on the oil and then bomb the fcuking place back to the stoneage.
A small bucket of sunshine for every hostage taken. Thy'd soon come round to our way of thinking if we kill 10,000 for every one of ours.

Now that would really make me happy.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I wouldn't cry too many tears myself, but it might make a mess of the oilfields. Kind of like nuking off your nose to spite your face.:D
 
#17
chutley said:
fcuk being the good guys. Now the Russians are on board, go 50/50 on the oil and then bomb the fcuking place back to the stoneage.
A small bucket of sunshine for every hostage taken. Thy'd soon come round to our way of thinking if we kill 10,000 for every one of ours.

Now that would really make me happy.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I dont think thats quite the Politically Correct answer everyone is looking for!

(Now then wheres my sun cream factor 1000+)
 
#19
SKJOLD said:
chutley said:
fcuk being the good guys. Now the Russians are on board, go 50/50 on the oil and then bomb the fcuking place back to the stoneage.
A small bucket of sunshine for every hostage taken. Thy'd soon come round to our way of thinking if we kill 10,000 for every one of ours.

Now that would really make me happy.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I dont think thats quite the Politically Correct answer everyone is looking for!

(Now then wheres my sun cream factor 1000+)
Since when has Blair and his cronies and these filthy terrorists cared for the right answer
 

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