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WO2's as Troop Commanders!

#1
It was mentioned to the DGAMS at the Warrant Officers convention for his views on WO2's in Troop Commander posts.

He seemed to like the ideal, so never dismissed or agreed to the ideal.

What is this forums views on this subject?

God or bad ideal?

Cheers!
 

Ventress

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#2
Easy enough job for a WO2, but does he have enough time for the trivia a subby should be doing to learn their job.
 
#4
Since when has that ever stopped the AMS? We are forever going around in circles here trying to address the problems within the AMS.
 
#5
I still think its a good ideal.

They will probaly do a better job that a lot of subbies and will manage the troops better.

Good to see this thread turn up again.
 
#8
We have often resorted to non-commisoned paltoon commanders in the infantry. On an op tour five years ago, two of the platoon commanders in my company were CSgts. The two platoons they commanded were by far the most effctive in the Bn.
 
#9
Ditto the above one WO2 Troop Ldr Recce Troop in Bosnia. Top Man hugh troop morale and not a drama in sight.
 
#11
ibilola said:
Tried before in the 1930s and 1940s - WO3 (Platoon Sergeant Major) - not successful, soon abandoned.
not another attempt at getting the bloody PQWO thread going on here as well is it?? which would also be
ibilola said:
not successful, soon abandoned (not initiated thank god!!)
all for the troop commander bit, good for someone with a bit of experience to do the job (rules out cpl ibilola then :wink: ) and would be excellent for those CMTs who are looking to move on to RSM posts afterwards.
 
#12
All of these threads appear to have been initiated by members with minimal posts to their names. I think 'Ibby the Corporal' has several identities.

Still, he can have as many as he likes.........it's just that he'll not be able to include 'WO2' amongst his collection.

Now then, exceptionally well qualified Corporal.........make sure those ablutions are clean and get by yer bed. There's an exceptionally unqualified WO2 somewhere in your unit, who wants to conduct a room inspection.

:twisted:
 
#13
Speaking as one who was a troopy not all that long ago, I can testify that our role lacks clarity and this will not be improved by placing Warrant Officers in these positions. The Medical Regiment concept still needs work on the fine details.

For the record, as a troopy I spent most days in my office doing staff work for my OC, preparing Range Day packages for the regiment and trying to work out what my troop did with their days.

Eventually I discovered that it involved tents, brooms and occasional first parades of BFAs except when we were doing regimental beat-up training for the next deployment. I was so bored I almost sacked it there and then.

Any WO wanting that job is f'ing welcome to it...

IF
 
#16
WO2 as platoon commander eh, whats a PC? Can't remember the last time I had one of those, in fact I'm the only one left in my platoon. Is somebody trying to tell me something? "Marching up and down the parade ground..." as per Monty Python.
 
#17
This is not a job for a WO! This is a job for a subby to cut his/her teath on, plus does your standard WO know what a combat estimate is?
I can't recall ever having to do a CE as a troopy, nor ever since. Of course, that was one of the problems - I never got given proper orders either, just "go there, do this, call me if you have a problem".

As for "cutting their teeth", I'm sorry but that's tantamount to students hanging around in libraries in the belief that some sort of knowledge will move from books to brains without teachers intervening. The Tp Comd role is supposed to be a chance for 2Lt/Lts to learn the routines that RMAS doesn't cover (I didn't even know how to request transport - hell, I didn't know I could!) with the guidance of the Sqn OC/2IC and SSM, but at the same time it should be a chance for the Tp Comd to take control of a Troop and lead them in something more constructive than sweeping f'ing store sheds.

Sorry - OT rant there... Back on-topic, the real problem are the decisions that Tp Comds are supposed to make - officers have the nerve to take the tough calls in a jam, but few WOs I've met will make hard decisions without top-cover. Sensible in barracks, but not the mentality needed whe the shit really hits the fan.

IF
 
#18
Baddass said:
I think 'Ibby the Corporal' has several identities.
Still, he can have as many as he likes.........it's just that he'll not be able to include 'WO2' amongst his collection.
nice one Baddass :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#19
but few WO's I've met will make hard decisions without top-cover. Sensible in barracks, but not the mentality needed when the s*** really hits the fan. Unquote

Thank f##k I did not join the army...as for a WO2 as a Tp plonker you have to be joking...a good cpl can crack that.... that’s when he is not cleaning the shit house of course in perce land.

I do talk from an Infantry perspective, as an average Tp Sgt should be better able to lead that troop hence the total nonsense of a WO2 being wasted on such a task.

Making decisions is a lot easier, if proper authority and respect is given with it, but with the majority of the muppetry in the army this concept is unthinkable to NCOs.

As for a Med Tp Cdr being concerned with a combat estimate (which is common dog at Tp level.)…. Give me a break…err fix it…


Chris
 
#20
chinless said:

This is not a job for a WO! This is a job for a subby to cut his/her teath on, plus does your standard WO know what a combat estimate is?

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Is it just me or has anyone else found that the words TWATT, and PATRONISING have just sprung to mind?

Damn right its not a job for a WO. They have far too much experiance to be used in this manner.

It has also been pointed out above that SNCOs are capable of running a Platoon / Troop. In fact, as Chinless may be astonished to learn, part of a Platoon Sargeants job spec is training young Subbies.

Chinless or not.
 

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