WO2 badges

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  1. There are (at least) a couple of WO2 badges available to be worn. With and without laurel leaves. Can anyone explain who is entitled to wear what and why? A quote from a publication (JSPs etc) would also be appreciated as a bonus.

    Many thanks.
     
  2. Knocker, you seem to be rather clued up on this sort of thing: where did the term "Warrant Officer" come from and what was its original meaning?

    MsG
     
  3. In the British Army, there are two warrant ranks, Warrant Officer Class 2 (WO2) and Warrant Officer Class 1 (WO1), which is the senior of the two. It used to be more common to refer to these ranks as WOII and WOI (using Roman instead of Arabic numerals). Warrant Officer 1st Class or 2nd Class is incorrect. The rank immediately below WO2 is Staff Sergeant.

    Every warrant officer has an appointment, and is usually referred to by his appointment rather than by his rank.

    Warrant officers were generally introduced throughout the British Army under Army Order 70 of 1915, although Regimental Sergeant Majors and a few other appointments (beginning in 1879, when Conductors of Stores and Supplies were warranted), had been warranted before that time. These earlier warranted appointments, and some others, became WOIs. The appointments that were designated WOIIs had previously been senior sergeants.

    WO1s wear a royal coat of arms on the lower sleeve, which may be surrounded by a wreath depending on appointment. Appointments held by WO1s include:

    Academy Sergeant Major (AcSM)
    Accountant Sergeant Major (obsolete)
    Armament Sergeant Major
    Armourer Sergeant Major
    Artificer Sergeant Major (ASM)
    Bandmaster (BM)
    Bugle Major
    Clerk of Works Sergeant Major
    Conductor (Cdr)
    Draughtsman Sergeant Major (obsolete)
    Drum Major
    Farrier Corporal Major
    Farrier Sergeant Major
    Foreman of Signals (FofS)
    Foreman of Works Sergeant Major (obsolete)
    Garrison Sergeant Major (GSM)
    Lithographer Sergeant Major (obsolete)
    Master Gunner 1st Class
    Master Gunner 2nd Class
    Orderly Room Sergeant Major (ORSM)
    Pipe Major
    Regimental Corporal Major (RCM)
    Regimental Sergeant Major (RSM)
    Royal Artillery Sergeant Major
    Saddler Sergeant Major
    Schoolmaster 1st Class (obsolete)
    Sergeant Major (obsolete)
    Sergeant Major Instructor (SMI)
    Staff Sergeant Major (SSM)
    Staff Sergeant Major 1st Class (obsolete)
    Supervisor (Information Systems) (Supvr (IS))
    Supervisor (Radio) (Supvr (R))
    Sub-Conductor (obsolete)
    Superintending Clerk
    Surveyor Sergeant Major
    Trumpet Major
    Yeoman of Signals (YofS)
    WO2s wear a crown on the lower sleeve, surrounded by a wreath for Quartermaster Sergeants (for all WOIIs from 1938 to 1947). Appointments held by WO2s include:

    Armament Quartermaster Sergeant
    Armourer Quartermaster Sergeant
    Artificer Quartermaster Sergeant (AQMS)
    Band Corporal Major (BCM)
    Band Sergeant Major (BSM)
    Battery Sergeant Major (BSM)
    Bugle Major
    Clerk of Works Quartermaster Sergeant
    Company Sergeant Major (CSM)
    Draughtsman Quartermaster Sergeant
    Drill Sergeant
    Drum Major
    Engineer Clerk Quartermaster Sergeant
    Farrier Quartermaster Sergeant
    Foreman of Signals (FofS)
    Foreman of Works Quartermaster Sergeant (obsolete)
    Garrison Quartermaster Sergeant
    Lithographer Quartermaster Sergeant (obsolete)
    Master Gunner 3rd Class
    Orderly Room Quartermaster Sergeant (ORQMS)
    Pipe Major
    Quartermaster Sergeant Instructor (QMSI)
    Regimental Quartermaster Corporal (RQMC)
    Regimental Quartermaster Sergeant (RQMS)
    Saddler Quartermaster Sergeant
    Squadron Corporal Major (SCM)
    Squadron Sergeant Major (SSM)
    Staff Quartermaster Sergeant
    Supervisor (Information Systems) (Supvr (IS))
    Supervisor (Radio) (Supvr (R))
    Surveyor Quartermaster Sergeant
    Technical Quartermaster Sergeant (TQMS)
    Troop Sergeant Major (TSM)
    Trumpet Major
    Yeoman of Signals (YofS)
    From 1938, there was also a rank of Warrant Officer Class III (WOIII). The only appointments held by this rank were Platoon Sergeant Major, Troop Sergeant Major and Section Sergeant Major. The WOIII wore a crown on his lower sleeve (which is why all WOIIs switched to a crown in a wreath during this period). The rank was placed in suspension in 1940 and no new appointments were made, but it was never officially abolished.

    WOs are officially designated using their rank and appointment. For instance, WO2 (CSM) Smith or WO1 (BM) Jones. However, they would usually be referred to as "CSM Smith" and "Bandmaster Jones". WO2s holding Sergeant Major or Corporal Major appointments are often referred to as the "Sergeant Major" or the "Corporal Major", but WO1s are only ever referred to using their full appointment or its abbreviation (the "RSM" or the "Garrison Sergeant Major", for instance).

    How warrant officers are addressed depends, as does much else in the British Army, on the traditions of their regiments or corps. However, there are some general rules of thumb:

    WO1s are usually addressed as "Mr [surname]" by officers and by their peers, and as "sir" or "Mr [surname], sir" by their subordinates (for female WO1s, "Mrs or Miss [surname]", "ma'am", and "Mrs or Miss [surname], ma'am", respectively);
    an RSM's Commanding Officer, and he alone, has the privilege of addressing him as "RSM"; all others use the normal form of address for WO1s;
    WO2s are commonly addressed as "Sergeant Major", "Corporal Major" or "Q" (for Quartermaster Sergeants) as appropriate (or as "sir" or "ma'am").
    The four most senior warrant officer appointments in the British Army are generally considered to be, in descending order of seniority:

    Conductor, Royal Logistic Corps
    Royal Artillery Sergeant Major, Royal Artillery
    Academy Sergeant Major, Royal Military Academy Sandhurst
    Garrison Sergeant Major, London District

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_Officer#United_Kingdom
     
  4. I've been out yonks now and that's the first time I've really understood what's what with Warrant Officers.
    Thanks for taking the time, Knocker.

    MsG
     
  5. pleasure :D :D :D :D
     
  6. I appreciate that this is wikipedia content, but are you able to elaborate upon which corps or regiment to which this appies? (I appreciate that this list isn't conclusive, but I noticed a lack of an RCWO on the list, which is common to more units in the army than some of those listed here).
     
  7. There is no such thing as Armourer Sergeant Major. A WO1 Armourer is an Artificer Sergeant Major (ASM) (Weapons)

    Dave
     
  8. 'Mr' or 'Sir' on this side of 'the Pond' for WOs too !
     
  9. Here we go again.....

    Still polishing your Mickey Mouse "commission" from the mong monkey in the White House?

    Throbber.
     
  10. Thanks for the explanation. I was a WO2 for 9 years (in the RCT, later the RLC), during RCT times, only the RQMS wore a crown with a wreath and of all the WO2's, only the Squadron Sgt Major had an appointment - the rest of us wore the same badge as the SSM, but we had no appointment.

    I understand that the RLC have now changed this (but it happened after I left).
     
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  12. doomandgloom is Herrenbloke after reading the book "How to be Popular with People" by Dr Harold Shipman.

    MsG
     
  13. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
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    Don't forget that an RSM of a Guards Battalion plus the Academy Sergeant Major & the GSM Londist wear the Tate & Lyle bage on the upper arm.
    And CSMs in the Guards wear their badge on the upper arm when in Home Service Clothing. (If it is still called that!). (Red tunics).
     
  14. I have friends in high places......

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