WO and Sgt mess functions

#1
I am under pressure to attend as I have been avoiding them since being with my current Regiment. I have sound fincial reasons for not doing so quite apart from the fact that I have no wish to attend.

According to every report I ever had I am good at my job, well qualified, put maximum effort into my work and do far more than is required. The expense of getting new Mess dress and regular and increasingly expensive and elaborate mess functions like a hole in the head, since TA pay and my civvi job just about keep my family afloat.

However the RSM is on a mission as is my new SSM who has been appointed PMC. I just want to pay my mess bill and get on with the job.

Unreasonable?

Cardinal
 
#2
Unreasonable? No.

You're a STAB, therefore a weekend warrior. A wannabe soldier. Surely the other STABs must recognise this fact?
 
#4
Helpful comment there!

Anyway, mess dress no requirement to purchase, so go black tie.

If you have serious financial issues that stop you supporting YOUR mess then you need to go and speak to the RSM directly.

However if you are a regular attender then paying for you mess bills and the functions they should provide for out of you TA wages then it shouldn't be an issue.

If you mess functions are getting out of control then you need to speak to you fellow SNCOs and decide to vote, remember regardless of the position of your PMC and the RSM within your mess the allocation of funds and price of a party can be questioned by your fellow NCO.

Also you have to ask out of the several function that all messes have a year is it a big hit just for a night out of drinking, fighting and a chance for you good lady wife to dress up and be treated to a night out?

Just out of interest whats the average ticket price your having to pay for?
 
#5
You're a STAB, what difference does it make to your reports? If you get a bad SJAR just get a new hobby?

Stacker1 is the expert on coercion, he'll be able to advise
 
#6
You're a STAB, what difference does it make to your reports? If you get a bad SJAR just get a new hobby?

Stacker1 is the expert on coercion, he'll be able to advise
Well Danny, as you should know, you have to be a mess member, you don't have to be a a member of the ODPS, not that you officers seem to know what goes on so I suppose it doesnt matter.
 
#7
Helpful comment there!

Anyway, mess dress no requirement to purchase, so go black tie.

There is talk of fines for those who dont purchase mess dress
If you have serious financial issues that stop you supporting YOUR mess then you need to go and speak to the RSM directly.
Done this, he said he does not care
However if you are a regular attender then paying for you mess bills and the functions they should provide for out of you TA wages then it shouldn't be an issue.
TA is a part time Job not a self supporting hobby, pay goes on important things

If you mess functions are getting out of control then you need to speak to you fellow SNCOs and decide to vote, remember regardless of the position of your PMC and the RSM within your mess the allocation of funds and price of a party can be questioned by your fellow NCO.
Functions do seem to be getting out of control, the next is due to cost several hundred pounds
Also you have to ask out of the several function that all messes have a year is it a big hit just for a night out of drinking, fighting and a chance for you good lady wife to dress up and be treated to a night out?

My wife tolerates TA and has done for more than twenty years but wants no part in it herself. If I started spending money thats needed elsewhere on the mess than she would withdraw that support.

Just out of interest whats the average ticket price your having to pay for?
I believe between £100-150 usually the next is more like £200-300. I just pay mess bills each year and don't go to the functions.
 
#8
I served with someone with the same attitude as you, albeit Regular which make a huge difference................. know what he did? stopped fcukin' bleating and did turn PMC end of!

Or you could request a reduction in rank to overcome your obligations to the Mess and your fellow SNCO's
 
#9
I believe between £100-150 usually the next is more like £200-300. I just pay mess bills each year and don't go to the functions.
Wow - do you get a hand-crafted, solid gold trinket as a keepsake? Sounds pretty excessive to me!

Q

PS - You're not HAC are you? I think they operate to a different set of rules...
 
#11
Stackbat,

My bold,i refer to you opinions on coercion, not mess membership or ODPS.

Add this STAB fella to your list of the coerced for the forthcoming trial of Stacker v. The MOD - The case of "its all really unfair, i hate you, you're not my real parents". Call the first witness, Mr Edward Bear who was viciously thrown from his pram following the previous disagreement.

I am under pressure to attend as I have been avoiding them since being with my current Regiment. I have sound fincial reasons for not doing so quite apart from the fact that I have no wish to attend.

According to every report I ever had I am good at my job, well qualified, put maximum effort into my work and do far more than is required. The expense of getting new Mess dress and regular and increasingly expensive and elaborate mess functions like a hole in the head, since TA pay and my civvi job just about keep my family afloat.

However the RSM is on a mission as is my new SSM
who has been appointed PMC. I just want to pay my mess bill and get on with the job.

Unreasonable?

Cardinal
 
#12
However, you are a SNCO! If you don't support the Mess, you shouldn't be in it!
Did it take you long to think of that? What is the mess anyway? If its a drinking club I want no part in it. If its a social gathering I still want no part in it. If its a management meeting I don't see the point, I've just attended a management conference. If its about better accomodation and food isn't that covered by your mess subscription?

What exactly has membership of the mess to do with being a good SNCO?

Cardinal
 
#13
Did it take you long to think of that? What is the mess anyway? If its a drinking club I want no part in it. If its a social gathering I still want no part in it. If its a management meeting I don't see the point, I've just attended a management conference. If its about better accomodation and food isn't that covered by your mess subscription?

What exactly has membership of the mess to do with being a good SNCO?

Cardinal
everything
 
#14
I'm fairly sure you can not be fined for not purchasing mess dress, ever though of trying your RHQ for a second hand one? or even Ebay have a couple of good ones floating around.

The reason it may be costing so much is that you and many others are not supporting YOUR mess, as the Sjts mess you are normally the richer mess as you will be able to get more funds.

You have to ask why are you in the Sjts mess if you not prepared to take the rough with the smooth, mess functions and mess life although not as regular as your regular counterparts is important to gelling your mess, its also a good excuse to have a good, relativly cheap party in theroy and enjoy the other side of being a SNCO.

I think you need to raise this at your next mess meeting as £200 - 300 a ticket seems a bit excessive, on top of this theres things like hotel rooms and taxis etc. Ever thought of running the function yourself and pricing it for the mess?

I'm going to avoid the "TA as a part time job" comment
 
#15
Wow - do you get a hand-crafted, solid gold trinket as a keepsake? Sounds pretty excessive to me!

Q

PS - You're not HAC are you? I think they operate to a different set of rules...
No I'm not HAC, the RSM has been choosing some very elaborate and expensive places for the Mess functions. When I heard the cost of the next it just confirmed what I already knew.
 
#16
Did it take you long to think of that? What is the mess anyway? If its a drinking club I want no part in it. If its a social gathering I still want no part in it. If its a management meeting I don't see the point, I've just attended a management conference. If its about better accomodation and food isn't that covered by your mess subscription?

Cardinal
Your bold don't be part of it then, leave
 
#17
No I'm not HAC, the RSM has been choosing some very elaborate and expensive places for the Mess functions. When I heard the cost of the next it just confirmed what I already knew.
And this point too, the mess is a voting system although the RSM may have final decisions on som things it still has the be put to a vote, he can't just decide full stop.

Let me guess you don't go to mess meetings?
 
#18
I'm with Cardinal. Surely mess subscriptions should be enough throughout the year to cover mess functions/raffle prizes etc? Failing that a small Ticket price is fair enough, but £200 - £300 for a lash up is taking the piss.

I'm sure that they can't fine you for not wearing messdress.

It sounds like your mess is being run by a couple of idiots........
 
#19
In theroy yes the contirbutions to you party fund from you mess bill should cover cost of all the parties over the year, however there may be a ticket price just to cover each function in order to make sure that you have enough funds to be spread over all the annual functions.

£200 - £300 is a deep breath in and sorry RSM thats a little excessive, what are you hiring out the QE2?
 
#20
Thanks for the reply Waitout. The figures I mentioned would include accomodation, still too rich for me. Although you avoid the TA is a part time job comment thats exactly how I regard it, certainly not as a hobby.

As for the other seniors, whilst I have a great relationship with the one's in my sqdn and certain others in the regiment, some of those who attend mess functions are people I would not choose to associate with outside of working hours.

Still left with the unavoidable fact that I cannot afford mess functions, I can pay mess subscriptions but not the functions.

You cannot leave the mess without giving up the rank. I earned that, put the time in, did the courses, did the extra no one else was either willing or able to do, maintaining high standards and all the rest. Why should I have to give that up?

Cardinal

Cardinal
 
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