Winning the battles but losing the war” in Afghanistan?

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  1. From The TimesSeptember 7, 2007

    Tom Baldwin and Richard Beeston
    Britain is risking a new foreign policy rift with the US after bluntly telling the Bush Administration that it is “winning the battles but losing the war” in Afghanistan.

    Gordon Brown and David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, fear that the US remains “fixated” by Iraq and is failing to address what they regard as the real front line in the war on terrorism.

    Disagreement between Britain and the US has surfaced already over the US military’s desire to spray opium poppy fields from the air with herbicide, as well as to continue its bombing strikes on Afghan villages, which Britain complains undermines its strategy of “winning hearts and minds”.

    Other areas of contention include what Britain regards as Washington’s indulgent attitude towards Hamid Karzai, the Afghan President, who is accused of tolerating, even conniving with, widespread corruption inside his government.

    The rising tensions between allies in action
    One source said: “The Americans see a bit of military success in Afghanistan and think it’s all fine. They are blinkered by Iraq and this is becoming symptomatic of a lack of serious engagement on policy across the piste.”

    Mr Miliband has instigated a strategy overhaul on Afghanistan which, although not a formal “review”, is causing alarm within a US Administration still smarting over Britain’s withdrawal of troops from Basra in southern Iraq this week.

    Some US officials suspect that Mr Brown intends to slide out of the “bad war” in Iraq by concentrating on the “good war” in Afghanistan. They acknowledge that the Basra pullout was based on military advice but had still hoped Britain would wait for General David Petraeus’s crucial progress report to Congress next week.

    State Department and Pentagon officials have told The Times that Britain appears to “want rid of Karzai”, while others have complained through diplomatic channels about “mixed messages” coming from the Brown Government. The Foreign Office denies that it is seeking Mr Karzai’s removal, but diplomats acknowledge there is a “sharp difference of opinion with the Americans” about the Afghan President.

    Mr Miliband has pushed Afghanistan up the policy agenda, choosing Kabul as the destination for his first trip abroad as Foreign Secretary in July. He wants to “step up the game” by building up the strength of the Kabul Government and security forces, lure a broader range of Afghans into the administration, as well as tackling longstanding corruption surrounding the narcotics trade.

    Some of the issues were aired this week by a team of Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence in Washington to discuss next year’s Nato summit, which is likely to be dominated by the mission in Afghanistan.

    The US, which contributes more than two-thirds of Nato’s military strength in Afghanistan, is frustrated by the British refusal to countenance air-spraying of opium crops, a key source of revenue for the Taleban. Helmand province, where 7,000 British troops are based, produced a record crop of poppies this year, the largest output anywhere in Afghanistan.

    Rather than alienate the local population, the British forces are keen to take the longer route of training Afghan antinarcotics teams and persuading farmers to plant alternative crops.

    The Ministry of Defence revealed that an 18-year-old soldier was one of the two who died when a roadside bomb exploded near a patrol in Helmand province in Afghanistan on Wednesday, making him the youngest British victim of the Afghan fighting so far.

    The MoD said that the two men were Private Ben Ford, 18, and Private Damian Wright, 23, of the 2nd Battalion The Mercian Regiment.

    Private Ford, from Chesterfield, was on his first overseas deployment after joining the Army in July 2005. He and Private Wright, from Mansfield, died when their Land Rover was blown up north of Lashkar Gah.

    Major Paul Gilby, officer commanding C Company The Mercian Regiment, said: “Young on paper, in life he was mature beyond his years in attitude, bearing and ability.” His family said last night: “We are immensely proud of our son and know that he lost his life doing something he was proud to be part of and that he loved.”

    A number of 18-year-old soldiers have died in Iraq
  2. Do you have any opinions of your own or do you just post what journos have wrote?
  3. Not fair, tothepub. Skynet voices His opinion when He feels it is right to do so. He is, as do many of us, putting the article up so that further debate can commence.

    And thence to the article. Essler on Newsnight gave out the findings of talking to many servicemen (or were they servicemen, if He was talking about the Beebs 'survey' ). Which He said was the overall view that we were winning in AFG and that 'morale was high'.

    This view was furthered by Jackson.
  4. The war in Afg will be won or lost in Pakistan, IMO. If you imagine a chessboard, all we're seeing now is pawns (not meant pejoratively) laying into each other without achieving any strategic success. At the moment, the main Taliban goal is to drag it out as long as possible; ours is to finish it as quickly as possible. Which looks the more likely result?

    And Kabul's rotten to the core- apparently. The only good thing about Karzai is he's a Pashtun... just not from the right tribe (he's a Durrani; we need the Ghilzais on board).
  5. Yes I do but you may know that I help run the Afghan thread and when I see a particular article which may be of interest to the wider audience of ARRSE who may not normally read the Afghan thread I post for their information. Yes I do have opinions of my own and if you look at my track record you will see them. Like Baff, soldiers housing, conditions of service, and to a lesser degree equipment and tactics but the latter are now a bit rusty and I defer to present soldiers who have a more modern and deeper understanding of our present needs. I hope though I can still be of use to present day soldiers.
    With regard to my opinins on Afghanistan I try to consider a wide section of views and I have come to the conclusion that if Pakistan goes we are really in the poo in a very big way. We will have mad mullahs with nuclear tipped missiles and that is even worse than Bush and Blair! Thanks for your interest
  6. :D KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK "Skynet". :D