Wings on rank slides

#1
I was talking to a few soldiers yesterday in London, and noticed that one of the NCO's had a rank slide with para wings on the front of his combat jacket.

A closer look showed that the wings weren't quite the same as ours and when asked, the wearer stated that they were Dutch wings, and rather than sewing a load on all his gear he had invested in the slides.

Turns out they were TA, although not from an airborne unit. A few bods from the unit had previously done the NATO course in Texel, and were allowed to wear the wings on their combat jackets, but not on the arms.
 
#2
metplod said:
I was talking to a few soldiers yesterday in London, and noticed that one of the NCO's had a rank slide with para wings on the front of his combat jacket.

A closer look showed that the wings weren't quite the same as ours and when asked, the wearer stated that they were Dutch wings, and rather than sewing a load on all his gear he had invested in the slides.

Turns out they were TA, although not from an airborne unit. A few bods from the unit had previously done the NATO course in Texel, and were allowed to wear the wings on their combat jackets, but not on the arms.
LONDONS perchance? I've seen a couple of London Jock NCOs in the past wearing Dutch Wings on their chests but no Brit ones. I'd be suprised now that their getting Guards PSIs if this sort of thing was allowed to continue.
 
#3
Anyone can do this course. It quals you for Dutch wings, it costs about 300 euros. If you're in the British Army you can wear the wings above your name tag, not on a rank slide. Alot of TA do the course cos its just the jumps (Military Static line) and you can do it in Green kit if you want to Walt it up. If Regs did it then their CO would probably tell them to fcuk off and do P Coy first so they can wear both sets of wings
 
#5
All this covering your uniform in badges is a bit "boy scout" for me. If you've done the jumps course, all well and good, you have my admiration! Wear the jump wings with pride. But foreign jumps courses, you can do them but what's the point in wearing the wings, unless you want to look like Walty McWalt. Same with all other badges for me, I've seen RLC Sgts wearing three chevrons above a tank transporter embroidered underneath!!

Give me strength! What's wrong with standard kit? It can be made to look smart!
 
#6
(Quote) Run_Charlie

Sgts wearing three chevrons above a tank transporter embroidered underneath!!

What the Fcuk is the British Army coming too.. :?

PS- Note to ones self...Must get all the vehicles on my FMT600
Embroidered onto my DPM Rank Slides... :roll:
 
#7
accidentalscaley said:
Anyone can do this course. It quals you for Dutch wings, it costs about 300 euros. If you're in the British Army you can wear the wings above your name tag, not on a rank slide. Alot of TA do the course cos its just the jumps (Military Static line) and you can do it in Green kit if you want to Walt it up. If Regs did it then their CO would probably tell them to fcuk off and do P Coy first so they can wear both sets of wings
TA are subject to the same mat regs as the regulars, no brit wings no foreign wings. The only difference it would seem is the quality of their Officers and SNCOs (inc PSIs) in allowing such abuses.
 
#8
whatley said:
TA are subject to the same mat regs as the regulars, no brit wings
Brit Wings are allowed.
 
#10
It is a bit Baden Powell. Was not the idea of CBT 95 originally that it be worn unencumbered by lots of different types of firelighting and housecraft badges?
but then who would know you were so clever if you couldn't show it off?
 
#12
I believe the Tank Transporter badge is issued as a specialist qual, as crossed flags, swords, rifles, etc are!

But Being an Infanteer qualified to Wear Flags, Rifle, AT badge I wear none since C95 came into being. I was led to believe that the only things other than rank and Bde/Unit flashes were Wings/Dagger if awarded and Ammo Tech for RLC EOD and Bomb for RE EOD.
 
#13
I thought that you COULD wear Flags, Rifles and Swords on the Rank Slide?
 
#14
Read through Queens regs - you can wear ALL awarded foreign mil qual badges at the units COs disgression (one at least)....

So.......
 
#15
In the 1980's one of our rifle companies (3 Royal Anglian) did the French Commando course and they were all allowed to wear their badge on smocks/jackets.
 
#16
The old rule applies: if you are entitled to wear British para wings then you can wear one set of foreign ones if entitled. I had mates who had US, French, German, Dutch, South African and had a different one on each set of uniform.

Doing a commando course is a bit different from throwing yourself out of a plane without doing P Coy beforehand!
 
#17
me n bee said:
Read through Queens regs - you can wear ALL awarded foreign mil qual badges at the units COs disgression (one at least)....

So.......
Have you a paragraph number for that?

Cannot find anything in Mat regs either!

JSP336 Volume 12

http://www.ams.mod.uk/content/docs/jsp336/intro_3e.htm#INDEX

Supply Chain Instructions for the Land Environment
Note: the former Materiel Regulations for the Army

VOLUME 12

PART 3 - CLOTHING

PAMPHLET NO 15 - BADGES, EMBELLISHMENTS AND HEADDRESS

http://www.ams.mod.uk/content/docs/jsp336/3rd_ed/vol12/pt3/pam15/contents.htm
 
#18
[quote="Mike_2817]Have you a paragraph number for that?

Cannot find anything in Mat regs either![/quote]

[quote="www.abmp.freeserve.co.uk]Upon completion of these courses, serving personnel may wear their brevet of qualification on the right breast of their uniform subject to approval by their Commanding Officer. See Qrs. Material Regulations, Volume 3, Pam 15,Para. 301-306. It should be noted that your Commanding Officer's decision is final!

Serving personnel must also note Qrs. Chapter 5 J5.369

Any individual wearing any badge, brevet wings or other emblem is to be so entitled by virtue of current or past service or qualification.[/quote]

I've not seen anything anywhere that says you have to have British wings up first, although I do have reservations on whether it's wise to pin foreign wings on a para smock without doing our course first. Could be seen as a bit Para-wannabe.
Also I believe chicks can do, and wear, the Dutch wings course.
 
#19
whatley said:
metplod said:
I was talking to a few soldiers yesterday in London, and noticed that one of the NCO's had a rank slide with para wings on the front of his combat jacket.

A closer look showed that the wings weren't quite the same as ours and when asked, the wearer stated that they were Dutch wings, and rather than sewing a load on all his gear he had invested in the slides.

Turns out they were TA, although not from an airborne unit. A few bods from the unit had previously done the NATO course in Texel, and were allowed to wear the wings on their combat jackets, but not on the arms.
LONDONS perchance? I've seen a couple of London Jock NCOs in the past wearing Dutch Wings on their chests but no Brit ones. I'd be suprised now that their getting Guards PSIs if this sort of thing was allowed to continue.

there are a lot of ex Airborne in the londons and and it used to make us laugh to see thease lot mincing around with their dutch wings on their smocks , not sure if they still wear them as far as l know dress regs state you need to have done the Brit BPC at brize to be able to wear another set of wings , anyway the dutch wings are by far the crapest set of wings you could wear they just look gash
 

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