Windrush Scandal

I know it's cliched but, a lot of my friends in London as a kid were from the West Indies, with a few Poles and, Ukrainians thrown in for good measure, a lot of them were here because their fathers fought for the Allies in WW2. they all made choices to stay.
For most of the Poles there was no option-it was that or the gulags. The Ukrainians had been fighting for the Germans and a number of them had a dark history in the 18th SS Division.
 
Seacole did in fact meet Nightingale and own book states she had nothing but upmost respect for Nightingale and she was offered all the help she wanted., black history activists invented the story about racism and being refused as a nurse because she was black, actually Seacole was mixed race and she started she did not consider herself black.

Seacole used homemade cures containing lead and mercury so she probably ended the lives of more of her " patients" than she saved.
Seacole never met Flo, she wrote 3 times applying to be a nurse and was turned down every time. In Seacoles book, she mentioned her trip to Scutari by ship to see Flo (the incident that never happened unles you watch the TV)...might I suggest you contact the Nightingale Society to check the veracity of her story.

None of Seacole's achievements warranted her statue being erected in front of the site of the World's first Nurse training school at St Thomas's

I might also mention she was a 'walt', giving herself 2 medals to go with the little trinket from Q. Victoria !
 
For most of the Poles there was no option-it was that or the gulags. The Ukrainians had been fighting for the Germans and a number of them had a dark history in the 18th SS Division.
The parents of my mates from Ukraine, came out in 39 and fought on various fronts for the Allies until 45. One of them had photos of Dunkirk, he 'borrowed' a camera off a dead German and, took photos.
 
Seacole never met Flo, she wrote 3 times applying to be a nurse and was turned down every time. In Seacoles book, she mentioned her trip to Scutari by ship to see Flo (the incident that never happened unles you watch the TV)...might I suggest you contact the Nightingale Society to check the veracity of her story.

None of Seacole's achievements warranted her statue being erected in front of the site of the World's first Nurse training school at St Thomas's

I might also mention she was a 'walt', giving herself 2 medals to go with the little trinket from Q. Victoria !

Says here that Seacole claimed to have met her

In her autobiography, The Wonderful Adventures of Mrs. Seacole in Many Lands, she describes stopping en route to the Crimea to visit the military hospital at Scutari and take in provisions. She had many joyful reunions with soldiers she had known years earlier in Jamaica. According to Mary she also met Florence Nightingale:

“A slight figure, in the nurses’ dress; with a pale, gentle and withal firm face, resting lightly in the palm of one white hand, while the other supports the elbow – a position which gives to her countenance a keen inquiring expression, which is rather marked.”
The Wonderful Adventures of Mrs Seacole


 

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The Windrush wasn't invited here, that's another black history lie, (not a myth because they know it's not true,)

The government has no idea the migrants from the Carribean we're coming and had made no plans for their arrival or offered them jobs.


Following the arrival at London of the troopship Windrush in 1948, carrying about 500 Jamaican men said to be seeking work, minister of labour George saacs stated to Members of Parliament:..

"I don't know who sent these men....it is bound to result in difficulties....we can give no assurances that they can be found suitable work. I hope no encouragement will be given to others to follow them."[1]
This somewhat accords with the question I asked yesterday. I had read that in reality the people who came were looking for work but were not in fact intending to stay in many cases and therefore were more akin to temporary migrant workers or like Irish people have come to Great Britain for work for a few years then return home. As you say, they were not as such 'formally invited due to a shortage of UK workers' which is how history now presents it.

There was no barrier to entry and work was very scarce in the Caribbean so out of necessity many came to find work but never regarded it as a permanent intention to stay. Hence, many did not make any formal effort to seek leave to remain or become British citizens either for themselves or their children. Quite a few remained for work but sent their children back to the Caribbean to live with a relative for education. Others went back and left their adult children in the UK. Some came back and forth with quite lengthy periods in between and sort of treated both the UK and Caribbean as 'home' much as an expat working abroad might do now.

I don't say the above to excuse the treatment of people who came as children with their parents and lived here for decades which frankly was shoddy and mainly due to utter incompetence on behalf of the relevant authorities over a long period. However, I also think that the history and circumstances are not quite as clear cut as some people, especially on the left, would have us believe.
 
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For most of the Poles there was no option-it was that or the gulags. The Ukrainians had been fighting for the Germans and a number of them had a dark history in the 18th SS Division.
For both groups option A was the Gulag, option B was a 7.62 in the back of the head. Add Czechs who returned home as heroes 1945 but had to flee again in 1948 because of said options A and B.
 

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I suppose we have to look for and take the small mercies from this event.

Just think if the Windrush had docked in Liverpool.............. o_O o_O
 
Seacole did in fact meet Nightingale and own book states she had nothing but upmost respect for Nightingale and she was offered all the help she wanted., black history activists invented the story about racism and being refused as a nurse because she was black, actually Seacole was mixed race and she started she did not consider herself black.

Seacole used homemade cures containing lead and mercury so she probably ended the lives of more of her " patients" than she saved.
Seacole used homemade cures containing lead and mercury - was not mercury given in those days as a cure for syphilis ? VD was a big problem in the Victorian Army.
 
Ah, the 'wonderful' Mary Seacole even now listed as a Businesswoman and nurse,when in fact she was a herbalist. Went to the Crimea to make money, looked after a few soldiers on the battlefield and suddenly, she's on a par with Flo Nightingale.

According to her memoirs, she made the journey from the Crimea to Scutari and back, on a boat in less than 24 hrs...'kin amazing.

She made the journey to confront Flo about, making her a nurse. You will no doubt have heard about,or seen the docu-drama on TV, that all the lefties were raving about !

Unfortunately...she never met Flo, there was never a meeting and, on a fast boat today, that journey will still take longer than 24 hrs.

To put her statue opposite St Thomas's Hospital is an insult to all nurses !

More politically racist shite, thought up by people who continue to think they have to prove themselves all the time.
St George’s Hall in Liverpool occasionally puts out a post on FB about trying to raise money for a statue to be made of her.

Last time a couple of posters (myself included) questioned her links to Liverpool and surely there are dozens of inspirational people of colour from that proud city.

I also asked if there was any primary evidence to confirm her nursing role as I hadn’t been able to find any.

I think it has been quietly dropped - compared to the history for example of Major Lester (for whom my School was named) who has a statue in the gardens her efforts were pretty poor.

 
Quite obviously it commemorates the arrival of a large number of Caribbeans who have become British citizens (in the main), who were invited here to make a better life for themselves and their families by filling jobs that needed filling.



So you're just having a general grumble, fair enough. Quite why people have such a down on Cromwell I don't know, he won wars, killed a long haired king, biffed Parliament, beat the Dutch at sea, founded the Commonwealth and murdered the Irish wholesale: what's not to like? He was a dab hand at flicking ink blots too by all accounts.

If enough people want to commemorate the Windrush Generation, why shouldn't they? It's a fairly momentous life changing event arriving in a new country, why shouldn't those who did so and their descendants celebrate coming to our wonderful land?

Don't forget about the "Meeting Place" statue in St P, not particularly to my taste (although I quite like the friezes around the base) but many passers by seem to like it.

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If someone wants to pay for it and gets permission, why not? Dundee has Desperate Dan after all:

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And it's got to be better than the crap Banksy daubs. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean a statue shouldn't be erected.
You mention the Meeting Place in St P also one on same theme in Glasgow bus station -

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The gov made the unbelievable mistake of the 1948 Nationality Act which made everyone in the commonwealth a British citizen, I can't imagine why they would be this stupid but then the current migrant crisis is just as stupid .
 
The gov made the unbelievable mistake of the 1948 Nationality Act which made everyone in the commonwealth a British citizen, I can't imagine why they would be this stupid but then the current migrant crisis is just as stupid .
Its because they didn't think that everyone in the Commonwealth and Colonies would take up the offer and come to the UK. Hence having to change it with the 1961 Immigration Act. A bit like they thought that only 13,000 would come to the UK when we granted free movement to the A8 countries from Eastern Europe in 2004.

There wasn't a particular shortage of labour in 1948 - perhaps in agriculture and some other industries. We were shipping people out to Australia in droves as £10 pound Poms. Not to mention Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and Southern Rhodesia. A lot of the Poles stranded here were encouraged to imigrate to those countries as well.

There is also the myth that the NHS couldn't have been created without the Windrush generation. The hospitals were already built it just became free at the point of use. An insurance scheme meant to be paid by National Insurance contributions. Very few new hospitals were built.
 
Its because they didn't think that everyone in the Commonwealth and Colonies would take up the offer and come to the UK. Hence having to change it with the 1961 Immigration Act. A bit like they thought that only 13,000 would come to the UK when we granted free movement to the A8 countries from Eastern Europe in 2004.

There wasn't a particular shortage of labour in 1948 - perhaps in agriculture and some other industries. We were shipping people out to Australia in droves as £10 pound Poms. Not to mention Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and Southern Rhodesia. A lot of the Poles stranded here were encouraged to imigrate to those countries as well.

There is also the myth that the NHS couldn't have been created without the Windrush generation. The hospitals were already built it just became free at the point of use. An insurance scheme meant to be paid by National Insurance contributions. Very few new hospitals were built.

The left have never let truth or facts get in the way of narrative. I don't blame or dislike those who came and I don't blame them for doing so, many stayed, and integrated fully into larger society seeing Britain as there new permanent home. Particularly as post war the nation choose to decolonise much of the Commonwealth.

Rather it was the failure of government to deal with migration and immigration properly at the time, sadly this failure of governance has continued and has added decade after decade to the crisis that befalls us all today with the narratives of identity politics, taking centre stage rather than adopting a shared social cohesion of a unifying national identity.

The bending of truth, ignoring facts and creating narratives based on myths is what is causing and continues too ferment many of the issues of societal cohesion. Changing history for political gain is a dangerous game.
 

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The bending of truth, ignoring facts and creating narratives based on myths is what is causing and continues too ferment many of the issues of societal cohesion. Changing history for political gain is a dangerous game.
Genuine social cohesion and a common sense of purpose it what UK politicians have worked very hard to avoid. Just imagine if the population gets the impression that they're being taken for a ride (which they inevitably are) and decides to scrum together and do something about it. Why, that could lead to actual democracy and Capitalism, in whatever form, could stand about ten minutes of that.

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Why, that could lead to actual democracy and Capitalism, in whatever form, could stand about ten minutes of that.
You think the electorate haven’t worked that out? Of course in the socialist rules book Capitalism isn’t in the verbiage, just an an acceptance that somebody else will pay and the working class can kiss their……
 
There can be little doubt that if the people concerned were white, none of them would have been served with deportation notices.

That must come as news to the white people who are frequently served with deportation notices.
Well done for playing the race card though.
 

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