Windrush Scandal

However what irritated her was that they tried to get out of it because she was now British, fortunately she had a very good family friend in Germany plus of course my cousin
Functionaries are what they are the world over. Somebody thinks he/she can get brownie points by saving their govt a few (Name your currency here). No circus without clowns.
 
I was a sprog but particularly remembered the bloke that used to visit EM Senior. He was a character. Met his wife many years later. Very nice person although she did talk a lot. One of my friends worked with a Pole but his work ethic seemed more one of entitlement and "I not understand" when it suited him. He wasn't a nasty sort but sounded a bit inept.

Growing up in a Soviet controlled country and the post Soviet, wide pendulum swings that result from sudden escape from that control, must have affected people. Perhaps there is less trust and a little more aggression in some quarters in recent decades. Intolerant yobs here wouldn't help. If it wasn't for Polish researchers, Enigma would have taken longer to break and WW2 might have led to us speaking German.
Please explain how a 'work ethic' translates to 'entitlement'
 

ugly

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Interestingly the figures on the BBC last night (please ignore the shouty tw@t Lammy) showed the percentage of returns to be tiny, numbers something like 128 returned out of 12000 investigated. I'd call that less of a scandal and more a minor hiccup. That said not so minor for the deportees unless of course like me they fancy retiring to a warm sunny tax haven?
 
I was a sprog but particularly remembered the bloke that used to visit EM Senior. He was a character. Met his wife many years later. Very nice person although she did talk a lot. One of my friends worked with a Pole but his work ethic seemed more one of entitlement and "I not understand" when it suited him. He wasn't a nasty sort but sounded a bit inept.

Growing up in a Soviet controlled country and the post Soviet, wide pendulum swings that result from sudden escape from that control, must have affected people. Perhaps there is less trust and a little more aggression in some quarters in recent decades. Intolerant yobs here wouldn't help. If it wasn't for Polish researchers, Enigma would have taken longer to break and WW2 might have led to us speaking German.
Free Poles fought well in WW2, taking Monte Casino, as one example. My father flew with Free Poles in Bomber Command, he personally knew two who went home after the war only to be removed from the train once it crossed the Polish frontier, and shot in the back of the neck beside the train.
The new Labour government bent the knee to Moscow and excluded the Free Polish forces from marching in the 1946 Victory Parade.
Free Poles were allowed to continue their service. In the 60s, at Lindholme, Tangmere, Waddington, and Topcliffe, we had Free Polish neighbours in the married pads, all married to British girls. There was a deal of bitterness at the lack of recognition they received for their part in the defeat of Germany, and more, directed at the West, for not liberating Poland, and later, Czechoslovakia, from the Soviets. A Pole, whom my father had flown with on Ops, had increasingly severe anger management issues which twice cost him his place in the left hand seat as captain, and finally lost him his wings for trying to land a Lincoln as if it were a racer, standing it on one wing as it turned onto short finals.
Perhaps, if Winnie had not been defeated in the 1945 elections, it would have been a different East/West border.
 

DaManBugs

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I mind reading either yesterday evening or early this morning that the Home Secretary was warned four years ago about what would transpire it the Windrush Generation started getting grief due to the "hostile 'immigrant' atmosphere" created by that very same Home Secretary. And who was that? None other than Treesa! I bet she's asked every subsequent Home Secretary how fireproof their soles are, knowing full well that they (and not she) were going to have their feet held to the flames.

MsG
 
I mind reading either yesterday evening or early this morning that the Home Secretary was warned four years ago about what would transpire it the Windrush Generation started getting grief due to the "hostile 'immigrant' atmosphere" created by that very same Home Secretary. And who was that? None other than Treesa! I bet she's asked every subsequent Home Secretary how fireproof their soles are, knowing full well that they (and not she) were going to have their feet held to the flames.

MsG

from the Times today
Home Office officials were aware of immigration problems facing the Windrush generation four years ago but failed to act, a report says.

The department had credible information about the potential adverse impact on such migrants of Theresa May’s policy to create a “hostile environment” for illegal immigrants, the National Audit Office (NAO) said.

Ministers from the Caribbean had also raised some Windrush cases with the government in April 2016 but it was not clear whether the Home Office was aware of them, according to the report.

The NAO concluded that processes in the department contributed to the risk of wrongful detentions and removals. Sir Amyas Morse, head of the NAO, said: “The treatment of people who had a legitimate right to remain in the UK raises grave questions about how the Home Office discharged its duty of care towards people made vulnerable because of a lack of documentation.

“It failed to protect their rights to live, work and access services in the UK, and many have suffered distress and material loss as a result.” Amber Rudd resigned as home secretary in April as a result of the controversy.

Commonwealth citizens who arrived before 1973 were automatically granted indefinite leave to remain but many were not issued with documents confirming their status.
There was an outcry when it emerged that legal Windrush migrants had been denied access to services, lost their jobs, had been held in detention or removed from the UK.

The NAO report said the Home Office “did not act on credible information about issues that may have contributed to the Windrush situation”. It said that a 2014 report by the Legal Action Group charity had raised the potential adverse impact of immigration policy on certain groups, including Jamaicans who arrived before 1973.

The NAO said: “There were warning signs from enough different sources over a long enough period to collectively indicate a potential problem that merited further investigation.”

A recommendation in 2016 to “cleanse” a database of individuals wrongly flagged as being in the UK illegally was ignored, the watchdog added. An official review of 11,800 cases of Caribbean Commonwealth individuals identified 164 people who were removed or detained and might have been resident in the UK before 1973.

The department has apologised to 18 people in whose cases it is most likely to have acted wrongfully. But the NAO said there were no plans to review about 160,000 files relating to non-Caribbean Commonwealth citizens because this would be “disproportionate”. The report added: “In the circumstances, we find this surprising.”

Meg Hillier, chairwoman of the Commons public accounts committee, said: “It is shocking that the Home Office is not proactively reviewing other Commonwealth nationals’ cases.”
Sajid Javid, the home secretary, has apologised to those affected. A Home Office spokesman said: “Our task force has helped over 2,400 people of any nationality prove their status in the UK.” Applications under the Windrush scheme were accepted from those of any nationality who arrived in Britain before the end of 1988 and were settled here, the spokesman added."
 

DaManBugs

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Ah, cheers for that @endure! Much appreciated, since I couldn't actually mind where I'd seen it.

MsG
 
Perhaps, if Winnie had not been defeated in the 1945 elections, it would have been a different East/West border.
Not a chance. We'd just finished six hard, painful years of war against Germany. The country was bankrupt, industry was in tatters and our infrastructure was, if anything, even worse.

Any government suggesting a war against one of our wartime allies in 1945/46 would have been lynched.
 

DaManBugs

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Not a chance. We'd just finished six hard, painful years of war against Germany. The country was bankrupt, industry was in tatters and our infrastructure was, if anything, even worse.

Any government suggesting a war against one of our wartime allies in 1945/46 would have been lynched.
Y,know, I'm not at all sure about that, jimmy's_bezzer. It's useful to remember that, after "the war to end all wars" British troops were sent to Russia (along with troops from 15 other nations) to fight on the side of the White Army.

It's probably another one of those classic "what-if" situations.

MsG
 

ancienturion

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Not a chance. We'd just finished six hard, painful years of war against Germany. The country was bankrupt, industry was in tatters and our infrastructure was, if anything, even worse.

Any government suggesting a war against one of our wartime allies in 1945/46 would have been lynched.
Operation Unthinkable certainly had the idea of attacking a former ally.
 

ancienturion

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Why does ITN keep referring to the Windrush Veterans as though there was some sort of military action?
 
Y,know, I'm not at all sure about that, jimmy's_bezzer. It's useful to remember that, after "the war to end all wars" British troops were sent to Russia (along with troops from 15 other nations) to fight on the side of the White Army.

It's probably another one of those classic "what-if" situations.

MsG
No chance we could have sustained a war against the Soviets. We were on our last legs in 1945 and the manpower box was empty.

Operation Unthinkable certainly had the idea of attacking a former ally.
There was a plan. Even the General Staff who wrote it thought it was somewhere between dodgy and unwinnable though and it relied on a quick end to the war before the Soviets could bring their massive manpower advantage to bear.
 
The problem I have is, the timeframe of the Windrush generation keeps getting longer and longer!

I can remember friends of mine (now) in the early 50's, turning up at primary school with broad West indian accents, which nobody could understand, but it didn't matter back then (contrary to popular belief, kids weren't racist back then). For about 4 years until about 58, it was a weekly occurence for new WI kids to join the school, they were usually seated next one of their compatriots who had been in the UK for about 6 months, and already sounded like a local.

I have a particular friend who joined up with me, did 22+ and, even did the same pre-release course as me, his personal opinion is, if you weren't here by 57, you couldn't call yourself 'Windrush' generation.

We used to escort each other around the 'hood' during the Notting Hill Race Riots just in case, we still laugh about feining 'kicking the ****' out of each other, whilst passing one or other of the 'sides'!

It's interesting that people of my generation, from my part of London, have hardly a racist bone in their body but, their grandchildren walk around with a couple of railway sleepers on their shoulders.
 
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