Windrush Scandal

To say nothing of the fact that the unions were originally opposed to immigration.
Unions and Labour were violently anti Polish at the same time, one Union passed a resolution that all Polish forces in UK should be sent back asap. I guess they could not comprehend that they did not want to live in a a workers paradise.
 
Unions and Labour were violently anti Polish at the same time, one Union passed a resolution that all Polish forces in UK should be sent back asap. I guess they could not comprehend that they did not want to live in a a workers paradise.
I worked with a couple of Polish chippies building council housing back in the 70's & even then they were disliked by the Brit workers, as they worked harder & didn't piss & moan. Both were ex Polish Armoured Division & fought together on Mt Ormel(sp?). They were fellow tank crewmen & escaped Poland together in the late 1940's.
Their description of abuse under the Socialists was mostly disbelieved - especially the shit Stalin poured on returning Poles who fought on the "wrong" (ie. Western Allies) side, presumably because Socialism in all its forms could do no wrong.
 
I worked with a couple of Polish chippies building council housing back in the 70's & even then they were disliked by the Brit workers, as they worked harder & didn't piss & moan. Both were ex Polish Armoured Division & fought together on Mt Ormel(sp?). They were fellow tank crewmen & escaped Poland together in the late 1940's.
Their description of abuse under the Socialists was mostly disbelieved - especially the shit Stalin poured on returning Poles who fought on the "wrong" (ie. Western Allies) side, presumably because Socialism in all its forms could do no wrong.
I liked the few 1st Gen Poles I met. They seemed to integrate well. Characters.
 
I liked the few 1st Gen Poles I met. They seemed to integrate well. Characters.
I knew one who became something of a mate - worked as barman/night manager in a hotel I stayed at a number of times for work.

Had hiked from Poland aged 16, through two sets of German lines to join the Polish Corps in Italy. Finished up in the UK afterwards only to find his home village had been grabbed by the Soviets for what is now Belarus.

Absolutely cracking bloke, once we got to know each other we used to chat well into the night and he bought me as much booze as I bought him. (I had a much harder head for it than I do today.)
 
I knew one who became something of a mate - worked as barman/night manager in a hotel I stayed at a number of times for work.

Had hiked from Poland aged 16, through two sets of German lines to join the Polish Corps in Italy. Finished up in the UK afterwards only to find his home village had been grabbed by the Soviets for what is now Belarus.

Absolutely cracking bloke, once we got to know each other we used to chat well into the night and he bought me as much booze as I bought him. (I had a much harder head for it than I do today.)
I was a sprog but particularly remembered the bloke that used to visit EM Senior. He was a character. Met his wife many years later. Very nice person although she did talk a lot. One of my friends worked with a Pole but his work ethic seemed more one of entitlement and "I not understand" when it suited him. He wasn't a nasty sort but sounded a bit inept.

Growing up in a Soviet controlled country and the post Soviet, wide pendulum swings that result from sudden escape from that control, must have affected people. Perhaps there is less trust and a little more aggression in some quarters in recent decades. Intolerant yobs here wouldn't help. If it wasn't for Polish researchers, Enigma would have taken longer to break and WW2 might have led to us speaking German.
 
Was wondering why this whole issue is called the "Windrush" scandal. Did a bit of digging around, found out that it originated from the people who came over to the UK on a ship named HMT Empire Windrush. The ship itself was seized from Germany after the war. Never paid much attention to this so far, but now I know.
 
Unions and Labour were violently anti Polish at the same time, one Union passed a resolution that all Polish forces in UK should be sent back asap. I guess they could not comprehend that they did not want to live in a a workers paradise.
The did comprehend that the immigrants would be competing for jobs.
 
Well of course it's convenient of course the 10 Pound Poms aren't remembered by the vessel, only the amount they paid. No more accurately it's probably the Bumsrush scandal
When my mother died last year we found a photo of my dad on the Windrush.

He was on his way to Egypt as part of his national service.
 
Being a Sarf Lunden boy, born 1960 - and moving from Bermondsey to Lewisham in 1970, many of my school friends and friends in football team, youth clubs, ACF etc were the kids from parents of the Windrush generation. Still meet up with some of them today or bump into them as I still live nearby.

What happened was wrong and a bit of a farce , and a handled pretty badly and insensitively, however, something like only 43 people were actually affected and of that number, 30 plus were overstayers or illegally here anyway.......

Same thing re passports and other types of immigration status has happened to many people who came over from white former commonwealth countries too
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You would think that like many who have come over within the past 30 years or so , if you been in the UK x amount of years and paid Tax and NI , you could apply for Citizenship anyway.

Bad Admin /Lack of knowledge and lefty outrage has at least highlighted the situation that is best to get tthis shite sorted out .........
 
Unions and Labour were violently anti Polish at the same time, one Union passed a resolution that all Polish forces in UK should be sent back asap. I guess they could not comprehend that they did not want to live in a a workers paradise.
Don't forget about the British government billing the Polish government for the petrol and ammo etc they (i.e. the Poles) used- including that one used in the battle for Britain. Luckily (for UK) Polish government managed to move its gold reserve to the UK so the Brits only took the gold (instead of giving it back).

But anyway- I'm more to be honest bothered with the ongoing scandal of the UK giving out passports (and citizenship) to the children of EU nationals who did not (at the time of the child's birth) qualify for that and than after 5 years, when one wishes to renew children passport, denying it and- illegally- stripping them of their British citizenship. Sure, if one keeps documents (as the UK government does not) for over a decade ago one can prove it (in that case it's free, no need to pay). otherwisely, it costs over £1K to naturalise a child.
That's the scandal (for which HO is "very sorry")!
 
Don't forget about the British government billing the Polish government for the petrol and ammo etc they (i.e. the Poles) used- including that one used in the battle for Britain. Luckily (for UK) Polish government managed to move its gold reserve to the UK so the Brits only took the gold (instead of giving it back).

But anyway- I'm more to be honest bothered with the ongoing scandal of the UK giving out passports (and citizenship) to the children of EU nationals who did not (at the time of the child's birth) qualify for that and than after 5 years, when one wishes to renew children passport, denying it and- illegally- stripping them of their British citizenship. Sure, if one keeps documents (as the UK government does not) for over a decade ago one can prove it (in that case it's free, no need to pay). otherwisely, it costs over £1K to naturalise a child.
That's the scandal (for which HO is "very sorry")!
Well-erm technically, if the status was granted illegally then the conundrum is- is it valid?. Not the child's fault, but Passports remain the Property of the crown. Nationality itself is what confers the right to the passport. They shouldn't deny they granted it subject to proof, but whether they can rescind what was granted wrongly as a result is another matter.
And we're not the only ones, Germany has gradually modified it's passport rules technically I should have one of right through blood descendency, but that no longer applies. My problem is is That I was born in occupied Germany in what became West Germany shortly after and that's gone. Do I qualify now? i doubt it.
 
Well-erm technically, if the status was granted illegally then the conundrum is- is it valid?. Not the child's fault, but Passports remain the Property of the crown. Nationality itself is what confers the right to the passport. They shouldn't deny they granted it subject to proof, but whether they can rescind what was granted wrongly as a result is another matter.
And we're not the only ones, Germany has gradually modified it's passport rules technically I should have one of right through blood descendency, but that no longer applies. My problem is is That I was born in occupied Germany in what became West Germany shortly after and that's gone. Do I qualify now? i doubt it.
Interesting. A friend who had a German forename and a perfectly English surname obtained, perfectly legally, a British passport when jobs were exceedingly sparse in the North East and shot off, with his wife and kids, on a three year contract in the Zambian copper mines.

He came back, bought a house and got a new job, then, one night the police turned up mob-handed with instructions to grab this dangerous alien. They were, after the first two minutes, falling about laughing at the fact that a bewildered matey spoke with more of a Middlesbrough accent than they did.

It turned out that Dad had married Mum in Germany just about the time the non-fraternisation rules had been relaxed, and brought her and her sprog back to the UK. The trouble was Dad, although the only dad matey had ever known, had never legally adopted him, thus, in one of the FO's periods of being more alert than usual, they had found the irregularity in his passport and set the dogs on him.

A quick trip to the nearest German Consulate, he was issued with a new West German passport in his mother's maiden surname, while wife and kids, all of whom were born here, had now to all get new British passports in the same surname.
 
Well-erm technically, if the status was granted illegally
well-erm... status wasn't granted "illegally" (whatever that means). There was no foul play from the people who have applied, no falsified documents etc. nothing shady. It's just the HO who couldn't be arsed to check them correctly and decided to grant the citizenship to people who did not qualify for that.

then the conundrum is- is it valid?. Not the child's fault, but Passports remain the Property of the crown. Nationality itself is what confers the right to the passport. They shouldn't deny they granted it subject to proof, but whether they can rescind what was granted wrongly as a result is another matter.
British Law does not allow to nullify the ctitizenship because of the admin error. it allows (obviously) if there was a foul play, forgeries, impersonations etc etc- but not because of the state's mistake.
But fear not- nobody (no-one British at least) will be punished by it. "lesson will be learnt" etc- the usual crap talk.

And we're not the only ones, Germany has gradually modified it's passport rules technically I should have one of right through blood descendency, but that no longer applies. My problem is is That I was born in occupied Germany in what became West Germany shortly after and that's gone. Do I qualify now? i doubt it.
One thing is to change the laws (like the thing that has happened with windrush people) and another is not to comply with the laws that are in use now.
 
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That period between 45 and 50 was highly problematical with the non fraternisation rules. Dad met Mum in 48 and reading between the lines the army had already screwed dad over. Meeting a German woman probably kybosched any chances of a commission as he’d been a WO all the war. From about 48 the basis of West Germany was laid. But Mum got naturalised as British to save issues like that.
One of the interesting factors was that Mum was entitled to a German Pension because she’d done her war work. She finally got it despite the German Government claiming that her naturalisation as British disqualified her and of course that her papers were lost.
 
well-erm... status wasn't granted "illegally" (whatever that means). There was no foul play from the people who have applied, no falsified documents etc. nothing shady. It's just the HO who couldn't be arsed to check them correctly and decided to grant the citizenship to people who did not qualify for that.



British Law does not allow to nullify the ctitizenship because of the admin error. it allows (obviously) if there was a foul play, forgeries, impersonations etc etc- but not because of the state's mistake.
But fear not- nobody (no-one British at least) will be punished by it. "lesson will be learnt" etc- the usual crap talk.



One thing is to change the laws (like the thing that has happened with windrush people) and another is not to comply with the laws that are in use now.
In which case of course the state is infallible end of.
well-erm... status wasn't granted "illegally" (whatever that means). There was no foul play from the people who have applied, no falsified documents etc. nothing shady. It's just the HO who couldn't be arsed to check them correctly and decided to grant the citizenship to people who did not qualify for that.



British Law does not allow to nullify the ctitizenship because of the admin error. it allows (obviously) if there was a foul play, forgeries, impersonations etc etc- but not because of the state's mistake.
But fear not- nobody (no-one British at least) will be punished by it. "lesson will be learnt" etc- the usual crap talk.



One thing is to change the laws (like the thing that has happened with windrush people) and another is not to comply with the laws that are in use now.
A very valid point. On another matter I've been taking my MP to task because the laws of the time were not adhered to and that they have been changed to accomodate issues in a more pallatable way - like ignoreing them or time limiting them.
Lost papers? IN GERMANY? Shirley not!=(
Errr yers, fortunately Mum had kept her zinsenbuch, but apparently so much was lost in the war. However what irritated her was that they tried to get out of it because she was now British, fortunately she had a very good family friend in Germany plus of course my cousin
 

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