Windrush Scandal

This is what the current landing card looks like.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but given the relative simplicity of the immigration laws - particularly those governing ILR for commonwealth citizens - at the time of the Windrush arrivals the first half of this form should contain enough information to determine current immigration status, should it not?

Anyone know what fields had to be filled in the 50's and 60's landing cards?
Love the bottom section

If you break UK laws you could face imprisonment and removal
Best joke I've read all week
 
The BA doesn't exist
It did when the records were being destroyed in 2010, what with it not being replaced by UK Visas and Immigration, UK Border Force and Immigration Enforcement until 2013.

Not really; BA (and HAL) have been pushing for the abolition of landing cards for years because of their perceived impact on queue times. They almost got their way last year too.
Why is how long you have to queue up to enter a country after leaving the aircraft of BA or any other airline of concern to the airline? Once I walk off the 'plane into the concourse I have sod all to do with the airline again until it's time to go home, unless my luggage doesn't appear on the carousel.

I'spose there's a case if you have to pass through immigration even if you're connecting to a flight going on to a third country, like you do in the US, but then the onus is on the passenger to book flights with a sufficient lay-over to jump through the hoops. Anecdotally, I've seen people collar a staff member, animatedly show their boarding pass/e-ticket and get escorted to the front of the queue, presumably because they've shown they need to get through to their next flight with some urgency - even in this country where the customer service ethic seems to be one of grumpy dourness, disnterest and jobsworthery. In Schiphol where you go through from Schengen to non-Schengen zones and vice versa there's an express window/terminal with a staffer on the gate who checks you really are in a hurry before letting you into that queuing zone (because there's always some arrogant cocks who try it on). Most airports have some mechanism in place to get you through ahead of everyone else if you've a short connection time.

But I'm still struggling to see why how long you have to queue up to be stamped into the country is really any concern of the airlines in broad terms.
 
The passenger manifests for the ships should be in the National Archives.
If not then they're readily available on ancestry.com, apparently.
 
Fecks sake, not Thornberry again?! She was only on a few weeks back, the smug, arrogant witch. No comedy value there - we want Dianne! :smile:
When she's on Iain Dale's show he quite often has her on the ropes and gives her a proper duffing up for spouting BS so with him on the panel it could be sparky. The only detractor so far is that the dour, woolly-policy-peddling Cable is on, too.
 
It did when the records were being destroyed in 2010, what with it not being replaced by UK Visas and Immigration, UK Border Force and Immigration Enforcement until 2013.

Why is how long you have to queue up to enter a country after leaving the aircraft of BA or any other airline of concern to the airline? Once I walk off the 'plane into the concourse I have sod all to do with the airline again until it's time to go home, unless my luggage doesn't appear on the carousel.

I'spose there's a case if you have to pass through immigration even if you're connecting to a flight going on to a third country, like you do in the US, but then the onus is on the passenger to book flights with a sufficient lay-over to jump through the hoops. Anecdotally, I've seen people collar a staff member, animatedly show their boarding pass/e-ticket and get escorted to the front of the queue, presumably because they've shown they need to get through to their next flight with some urgency - even in this country where the customer service ethic seems to be one of grumpy dourness, disnterest and jobsworthery. In Schiphol where you go through from Schengen to non-Schengen zones and vice versa there's an express window/terminal with a staffer on the gate who checks you really are in a hurry before letting you into that queuing zone (because there's always some arrogant cocks who try it on). Most airports have some mechanism in place to get you through ahead of everyone else if you've a short connection time.

But I'm still struggling to see why how long you have to queue up to be stamped into the country is really any concern of the airlines in broad terms.
I remember UKBA in 2010, I was in it! I dislike the constant references to a defunct organisation though. Re. airlines and queues, for BA and HAL it was a presentational issue, although it had operational impacts too. In the UK, passengers in Direct Airside Transit do not present at our border controls.
 

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I was simultaneously shocked and yet depressingly not surprised to learn that a bunch of foundational immigration records from half a century ago that were still being used in their original state were unceremoniously torched in 2010 without ever being digitised.
Excellent point. You've reduced the problem from holding a big pile of physical cards to having a large file held on a secure server. There must be automated scanning methods available to convert the cards to PDF's or digital files, so it needn't have been a particularly expensive exercise.

Wordsmith
 
I dislike the constant references to a defunct organisation though.
Given we're discussing an event that took place in 2010 it is inevitable and hardly surprising that references to agencies will be to those agencies existing at that time.
 
None of which actually constitute proof of British Citizenship; a lawful resident (like my American next-door-neighbour) can have all of those things and still not be a citizen.
Very true, but are they all not examples of the supporting evidence that is supposed to have been fully considered in the course of "decision making"?
 
None of which actually constitute proof of British Citizenship; a lawful resident (like my American next-door-neighbour) can have all of those things and still not be a citizen.
Sorry if this is a bone question but if they were British subjects at the time of arrival aren't they supposed to have been grandfathered onto British citizenship after the drawbridges went up in the 70's?

If so surely proof of their commonwealth citizenship and birth would be enough for them to apply for British citizenship today, especially since May is now offering to waive certain HO fees for processing the paperwork.
 
Sorry if this is a bone question but if they were British subjects at the time of arrival aren't they supposed to have been grandfathered onto British citizenship after the drawbridges went up in the 70's?

If so surely proof of their commonwealth citizenship and birth would be enough for them to apply for British citizenship today, especially since May is now offering to waive certain HO fees for processing the paperwork.
That is certainly what that generation thought. Sadly, the combined effect of legislation from 1983, 2009 and 2014 has rendered that position defunct.
 
Sorry if this is a bone question but if they were British subjects at the time of arrival aren't they supposed to have been grandfathered onto British citizenship after the drawbridges went up in the 70's?

If so surely proof of their commonwealth citizenship and birth would be enough for them to apply for British citizenship today, especially since May is now offering to waive certain HO fees for processing the paperwork.

As per @History_Man , the effect of the various stable door changes did away with their status completely.

The 1971 Act abolished the right of UK Subjects right to come to the UK, then another Act abolished the status of 'Subject', so they effectively became stateless non persons by accident.

Mrs Meerkatz came as a Commonwealth Subject in 1970, full right of abode, unknown to her that right disappeared in 1971, moving smartly onwards, she gets married to an RoI citizen - so that under the 1948 Act gives her once more an absolute right of Abode in the UK - (and the muppet dealing with her case was completely unaware of the 48 Act and RoI citizens), but as soon as she pops her head over the parapet… Ha! You don't have UK citizenship! Deportation for you!
Hence the stand off with the immigration muppet until the penny dropped with his grown up about what I was saying about we would be 'deporting' to Dublin.

And yes, there is precedence for waiving the fees, all the HO fees were waived when they regularised her nd that was in 2000. So really, its not a big attaboy for the PM.
 
undervalued said:
Lammy is Abbott with a cock.

Allegedly, we don't actually know if he/she/it has one or if the abbopotamus doesn't!


a bit like this creature where there seems to be an ongoing question as to what sex it is. To my eyes it definitely looks to be a bloke but competes as a woman. Surely it can't be that difficult, if it has the "meat & 2 veg" its a bloke, if it has a working C**t & ovaries its a bird. :) What is an intersex athlete? Explaining the case of Caster Semenya

 
If they aren't a uk national fair one. The Gvt seem to be doing it without "heralding" it which suggests either they have missed a PR trick or its being done in a fairly draconian manner and they don't want it under scrutiny.

I'm not going one way or another on it, either way seems a bit fishy

Mass deportation Jamaica


Hardly a MASS deportation with only 42 people sent back. And as for the statement "The Gvt seem to be doing it without "heralding" it" , This article gives the lie to it Deportations, Removals and Voluntary Departures from the UK - Migration Observatory
snip "The solid line in Figure 1 shows that in 2016 there were 39,626 people who were removed from the UK or departed voluntarily after the initiation of removal. This is down from 41,879, 2015. This figure excludes individuals refused entry at port and subsequently removed, in order to focus more closely on what most people normally think of as ‘deportation’. "
This out of numerous varying estimates of up to 1 million illegals being resident in the UK, with certain figures of How many illegal immigrants are in the UK?
snip "In 2007, the London School of Economics produced a report estimating the number of ‘irregular’ migrants at 533,000"
The government does, however, collect “Immigration Enforcement Data” including information such as number of visits based on tip-offs, number of people refused entry and number of offenders deported. For example, the number of enforcement visit arrests from information in Q2 of 2016 was 941"

So hardly masses especially when some figures estimate illegals are pouring in at up to 800 per day through our porous borders.
Hence why the Govt. is keeping quiet on its failure to control our borders
 

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