Windows 7

#1
Fellow Arrsers, in 08 I was able to get hold of a £17 copy (legit) of Office 2007 for personal use, due to being a user or MOD IT systems. Does anyone know of a similar scheme for Windows 7?

Thank you in advance.
 
#2
CTX (Charity Technology Exchange) will be knocking it out soon enough for £11-£17 if Vista prices are to be repeated.

you need to be a charity to benefit - so SCC units, Scouts etc - Laughing.
 
#3
wolverine9314 said:
Fellow Arrsers, in 08 I was able to get hold of a £17 copy (legit) of Office 2007 for personal use, due to being a user or MOD IT systems. Does anyone know of a similar scheme for Windows 7?

Thank you in advance.
A number of programs were available using the original link although I don't recall seeing any operating systems.

Wait a couple of weeks after W7 goes live and try the link again. However, as the chances of the MOD adopting W7 is close to zero, I don't think that Microsoft will see any benefit from offering W7 to us at a discount.

Having written that, I wonder if the MOD will move to W7 in due course...? It might have to if Microsoft removes the support for XP, as it will in due course.

Litotes
 

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#4
wolverine9314 said:
Fellow Arrsers, in 08 I was able to get hold of a £17 copy (legit) of Office 2007 for personal use, due to being a user or MOD IT systems. Does anyone know of a similar scheme for Windows 7?

Thank you in advance.
Office/Project/Visio license extensions to company employees are a standard MS contract option I have seen several times (and taken advantage of) - never seen it applied to their OS contracts except as part of home/teleworking contracts.
 

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#5
Litotes said:
wolverine9314 said:
Fellow Arrsers, in 08 I was able to get hold of a £17 copy (legit) of Office 2007 for personal use, due to being a user or MOD IT systems. Does anyone know of a similar scheme for Windows 7?

Thank you in advance.
A number of programs were available using the original link although I don't recall seeing any operating systems.

Wait a couple of weeks after W7 goes live and try the link again. However, as the chances of the MOD adopting W7 is close to zero, I don't think that Microsoft will see any benefit from offering W7 to us at a discount.

Having written that, I wonder if the MOD will move to W7 in due course...? It might have to if Microsoft removes the support for XP, as it will in due course.

Litotes
Could be a while, just rolled out a mobile solution using XP on new hardware with 4 year support.
 
#6
Alsacien said:
[Could be a while, just rolled out a mobile solution using XP on new hardware with 4 year support.
XP is already out of "mainstream support" - since 14th Apr. Security patches die in 2014.

At least, that's the theory ...
 
#7
Alsacien said:
Litotes said:
wolverine9314 said:
Fellow Arrsers, in 08 I was able to get hold of a £17 copy (legit) of Office 2007 for personal use, due to being a user or MOD IT systems. Does anyone know of a similar scheme for Windows 7?

Thank you in advance.
A number of programs were available using the original link although I don't recall seeing any operating systems.

Wait a couple of weeks after W7 goes live and try the link again. However, as the chances of the MOD adopting W7 is close to zero, I don't think that Microsoft will see any benefit from offering W7 to us at a discount.

Having written that, I wonder if the MOD will move to W7 in due course...? It might have to if Microsoft removes the support for XP, as it will in due course.

Litotes
Could be a while, just rolled out a mobile solution using XP on new hardware with 4 year support.
I wouldn't have used anything else either!

I found this:

Microsoft's timeline for XP

So, XP Professional will no longer be supported after 2014. That doesn't mean, of course, that the MOD will have to upgrade at that time. It could keep XP going for a long time after that.

Litotes
 

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#8
Idrach said:
Alsacien said:
[Could be a while, just rolled out a mobile solution using XP on new hardware with 4 year support.
XP is already out of "mainstream support" - since 14th Apr. Security patches die in 2014.

At least, that's the theory ...
Got a 4 year support contract on my desk running from May 20th this year.....out of mainstream support usually just means they will charge more for extensions to existing support contracts.
As far as I know all netbooks are still shipping with XP too?
 

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#9
I'm a bit puzzled why anyone would want something as brand new as W7, seeing that all Windows releases seem to be followed over the next two or three years by a long line of security fixes to fix trapdoors and other bugs that were shipped initially in the original product. How Msoft gets away with this slapdash approach to quality is something of a puzzle.
 
#10
seaweed said:
I'm a bit puzzled why anyone would want something as brand new as W7, seeing that all Windows releases seem to be followed over the next two or three years by a long line of security fixes to fix trapdoors and other bugs that were shipped initially in the original product. How Msoft gets away with this slapdash approach to quality is something of a puzzle.
However - news reports from within the industry, is that they have spent a lot of time releasing code to hardware vendors and helping them write drivers before W7 was released.

this is evident with HP and Dell websites driver offerings long before W7 came to life.

Also - been using the Beta and its nice, fast and stable.


R
 
#11
Litotes said:
Wait a couple of weeks after W7 goes live and try the link again. However, as the chances of the MOD adopting W7 is close to zero, I don't think that Microsoft will see any benefit from offering W7 to us at a discount.

Having written that, I wonder if the MOD will move to W7 in due course...? It might have to if Microsoft removes the support for XP, as it will in due course.

Litotes
I can name four MOD systems that have already tested 7 and have migration plans in place to move to 7 within the next 12 months. All are in house systems and CESG seem happy to date with the test results so far. As far as I'm aware DII will only move to 7 IF the contract is renewed in 2013 and as part of a refresh cycle.
 

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#12
Baldrick66 said:
Litotes said:
Wait a couple of weeks after W7 goes live and try the link again. However, as the chances of the MOD adopting W7 is close to zero, I don't think that Microsoft will see any benefit from offering W7 to us at a discount.

Having written that, I wonder if the MOD will move to W7 in due course...? It might have to if Microsoft removes the support for XP, as it will in due course.

Litotes
I can name four MOD systems that have already tested 7 and have migration plans in place to move to 7 within the next 12 months. All are in house systems and CESG seem happy to date with the test results so far. As far as I'm aware DII will only move to 7 IF the contract is renewed in 2013 and as part of a refresh cycle.
.....and people wonder why UK gov IT projects have a bad rep.....nobody goes to a new OS within its first year (if they have choice). SP1 miniumum.
 
#13
Baldrick66 said:
Litotes said:
Wait a couple of weeks after W7 goes live and try the link again. However, as the chances of the MOD adopting W7 is close to zero, I don't think that Microsoft will see any benefit from offering W7 to us at a discount.

Having written that, I wonder if the MOD will move to W7 in due course...? It might have to if Microsoft removes the support for XP, as it will in due course.

Litotes
I can name four MOD systems that have already tested 7 and have migration plans in place to move to 7 within the next 12 months. All are in house systems and CESG seem happy to date with the test results so far. As far as I'm aware DII will only move to 7 IF the contract is renewed in 2013 and as part of a refresh cycle.
Sorry, I should have written "DII/F" but the medication hasn't yet kicked in...

I am surprised that projects are considering moving to W7 within such a short timeframe. My experience of hardware and software management would not lead me anywhere near W7 for an official project for some time - at least until the first Service Pack had been released. I will probably try it on my laptop as I am fed up with Vista but that is not the same as trying to bring a new OS into service.

Litotes
 
#14
Alsacien

Normally I'd agree with you but 7 has produced far better results than anyone expected and has proved far more stable than expected. Several industry partners are already in the process of migrating and the results so far are very good. As I said it will be within the next 12 months and only after final approvals are in place, but from our point of view we've only found very minor bugs so far and is proving popular with the staff who have been part of the pilot.
 

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#15
Baldrick66 said:
Alsacien

Normally I'd agree with you but 7 has produced far better results than anyone expected and has proved far more stable than expected. Several industry partners are already in the process of migrating and the results so far are very good. As I said it will be within the next 12 months and only after final approvals are in place, but from our point of view we've only found very minor bugs so far and is proving popular with the staff who have been part of the pilot.
I'd agree first impressions are stable, but the potential cost of sorting problems and installing SP's are not worth the risk.
Don't forget any new MS OS is always a feature base for the follow on SW upgrades to their mainstream software......
As Vista is still not stable enough (and now never will be), reasons to be cautious outweigh optimism :wink:
 
#16
Litotes said:
Sorry, I should have written "DII/F" but the medication hasn't yet kicked in...

I am surprised that projects are considering moving to W7 within such a short timeframe. My experience of hardware and software management would not lead me anywhere near W7 for an official project for some time - at least until the first Service Pack had been released. I will probably try it on my laptop as I am fed up with Vista but that is not the same as trying to bring a new OS into service.

Litotes
Depends what you mean by a short time frame, the systems involved are all due hardware/software refresh as part of the normal cycle and testing has been carried out with direct support from Microsoft. The project has been running for 6 months so far with a roll out still some way off, but all results so far are very promising.
 

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#17
Baldrick66 said:
Litotes said:
Sorry, I should have written "DII/F" but the medication hasn't yet kicked in...

I am surprised that projects are considering moving to W7 within such a short timeframe. My experience of hardware and software management would not lead me anywhere near W7 for an official project for some time - at least until the first Service Pack had been released. I will probably try it on my laptop as I am fed up with Vista but that is not the same as trying to bring a new OS into service.

Litotes
Depends what you mean by a short time frame, the systems involved are all due hardware/software refresh as part of the normal cycle and testing has been carried out with direct support from Microsoft. The project has been running for 6 months so far with a roll out still some way off, but all results so far are very promising.
You doing just clients or also Win Server 2008 R2?
 
#18
Alsacien said:
Baldrick66 said:
Alsacien

Normally I'd agree with you but 7 has produced far better results than anyone expected and has proved far more stable than expected. Several industry partners are already in the process of migrating and the results so far are very good. As I said it will be within the next 12 months and only after final approvals are in place, but from our point of view we've only found very minor bugs so far and is proving popular with the staff who have been part of the pilot.
I'd agree first impressions are stable, but the potential cost of sorting problems and installing SP's are not worth the risk.
Don't forget any new MS OS is always a feature base for the follow on SW upgrades to their mainstream software......
As Vista is still not stable enough (and now never will be), reasons to be cautious outweigh optimism :wink:
You are not alone in those concerns mate, but so far the lads (even the most ardent anti windows techs) are finding it difficult to fault the results they've had to date. I suppose final proof will come once a full pilot is run next summer.
 
#19
Alsacien said:
Baldrick66 said:
Litotes said:
Sorry, I should have written "DII/F" but the medication hasn't yet kicked in...

I am surprised that projects are considering moving to W7 within such a short timeframe. My experience of hardware and software management would not lead me anywhere near W7 for an official project for some time - at least until the first Service Pack had been released. I will probably try it on my laptop as I am fed up with Vista but that is not the same as trying to bring a new OS into service.

Litotes
Depends what you mean by a short time frame, the systems involved are all due hardware/software refresh as part of the normal cycle and testing has been carried out with direct support from Microsoft. The project has been running for 6 months so far with a roll out still some way off, but all results so far are very promising.
You doing just clients or also Win Server 2008 R2?
2008 for the majority of the servers was completed very recently on two of the systems and is proving stable and the guys are happy with it to date less a couple of issues they had to work around, mainly to do with exchange and those boxes have had to be left on there original OS.
 
#20
Baldrick66 said:
Litotes said:
Sorry, I should have written "DII/F" but the medication hasn't yet kicked in...

I am surprised that projects are considering moving to W7 within such a short timeframe. My experience of hardware and software management would not lead me anywhere near W7 for an official project for some time - at least until the first Service Pack had been released. I will probably try it on my laptop as I am fed up with Vista but that is not the same as trying to bring a new OS into service.

Litotes
Depends what you mean by a short time frame, the systems involved are all due hardware/software refresh as part of the normal cycle and testing has been carried out with direct support from Microsoft. The project has been running for 6 months so far with a roll out still some way off, but all results so far are very promising.
I reckon a year is a short timeframe within the context of military software projects (other than UORs). If you are approaching a mid-life upgrade, then W7 is an option, but I have always adopted a conservative approach towards software development and integration; if the developers assure me I will get x, y and z then I plan to deliver x and a bit of y to the User - and z is an aspiration!

What is the learning curve for W7 like and what training are you planning to deliver (broad brush stuff - no details)?? I ask because I cursed Vista this morning because I couldn't find an accessory when I wanted it!

Litotes
 

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