Will The UN Ignore Whats Happening in The Congo..??

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  1. Not too long ago, I finished reading a book called ‘Shake Hands With The Devil’ which was written by a Canadian Officer named General Dallaire. He was the UN Commander during the Rwandan genocide in 1994.

    It’s a fascinating, if highly disturbing read. General Dallaire describes at length the shameful way in which the west (and by that he means the UN) abandoned the Rwandans during the genocide of 1994 in which 1 million (best estimate) innocents were butchered to death – mainly by the machete – in not much more than 10 weeks

    General Dallaire left Rwanda a broken and shattered man by what he saw there and as a result of the shameful and cowardly way the west turned a knowing yet blind eye to the atrocities. The UN reduced its troop deployment in Rwanda to a few hundred men prior to, and during, the genocide yet at the same time it was doing everything in its power to stop the carnage in Bosnia by committing as many troops as it could (US, UK and French); the same nations (amongst many others) that turned their collective backs on the wholesale slaughter in Rwanda.

    Now, the Congolese Tutsis suspect the mainly Hutu Congolese Army of not only harbouring the perpetrators of the genocide (who fled to The Congo after the Tutsi RPF rebel army routed them), but are actively supporting them to resume their activities. Unsurprisingly, the Tutsis are not prepared to be butchered in their thousands again and appear to be mobilising their forces.

    So – will the UN act this time or disgracefully turn away again….?
     
  2. Alot of the UN countries are currently in a credit crisis, question should be can the UN afford operations there?
     
  3. Well we can't afford operations in afgan and iraq at the moment so why not!
     
  4. There was no credit crisis in 1994 - and no moral courage either. Just cowardly politicians who abandoned a nation to genocide.
     
  5. I understand your point and agree, something should have been done then and something should be done now. Do I think something will be done? No
     
  6. You do realise this is about the UN don't you....?? The blokes with the blue berets....??

    What’s that got to do with Iraq or Afghanistan...?

    2 totally separate issues mate.
     
  7. No oil I'm afraid.
     
  8. Correct.
     
  9. Eastern Congo has some of the wealthiest untapped mineral deposits in Africa.

    How much of that is oil…?? I don’t know – but there is money to be made by someone if they so wished and so I’m not sure the old ‘no oil’ line stands up to scrutiny.
     
  10. I doubt anything will get done, and even if it does it will be after weeks of political wrangling. The thing that gets me about the UN is they always propose to do the right thing, but then the motion gets canned by countries who are not dissimilar to the perpetrators. The UN has too many members, or too many small/not very pleasant countries have too big a say, which ever way you want to look at it.

    The reason something was done about Hitler was he was on our doorstop, Africa is easily forgotten even though the atrocities (1mil hacked to death in 10 weeks) make Hitler look like an amateur.
     
  11. At the time of the genocide in 1994, many African nations took 'turns' in having a seat on the UN council. It just so happened that in 1994 the Rwandans had a seat. The Rwandan member was a committed Hutu and supported the Hutu backed RGF forces and, by default, the Interahamwe (a kind of back to grass routes, less sophisticated, INLA). Unsurprisingly, he attempted to block any UN intervention plan and just about single-handedly succeeded – and the rest of the council were happy to let him as it took the decision put of their hands.

    Incredible...
     
  12. Top Book!
    Africa is one of the places we fear to tread for fear of being called imperialists/racists. Look at Zim right now.
    Its bad and Pak/Indian Blue Berets getting skinned alive by crazies aint too far away.
    The UN is an Arrse.
    Peace Enforce and then Peace Keep.
    The will has to be there first by many to move, FFS we are more worried about bigging up Brand/Ross to keep the heat off of the economy to even cast an eye sideways at wonderful Africa.
     
  13. Not looking good: Lt. Gen. Vicente Diaz de Villegas of Spain, the UN Commander in DRC, resigned on 27 Oct 08

    Linky-thingy http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnJOE49R05N.html

    Depending on who is telling the story, his resignation was for either political or personal reasons.
     
  14. IMO the UN is an expensive and corrupt talking shop and whilst its ideals are sound, with some notable exceptions, its various agencies are an indication of the profligacy and waste that Brussels is becoming.
    .... and yes I fear it will be too little too late as usual.
     
  15. This has been brewing up since 2004 and just to be clear the UN is doing something:

    Current strength (31 August 2008)

    18,389 total uniformed personnel, including 16,668 troops, 670 military observers, 1,051 police; 937 international civilian personnel, 2,120 local civilian staff and 535 United Nations Volunteers

    Contributors of military personnel Algeria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Benin, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, France, Ghana, Guatemala, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Jordan, Kenya, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Morocco, Mozambique, Nepal, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Romania, Russian Federation, Senegal, Serbia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Switzerland, Tunisia, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Yemen and Zambia

    Contributors of police personnel Argentina, Bangladesh, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Côte d'Ivoire, France, Guinea, India, Jordan, Madagascar, Mali, Niger, Romania, Russian Federation, Senegal, Sweden, Togo, Turkey, Ukraine and Yemen

    Fatalities

    82 military personnel
    9 military observers
    2 UN police
    11 international civilian
    23 local civilian

    127 total


    Approved budget :
    1 July 2008 - 30 June 2009: $1,242.73 million

    http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/monuc/facts.html

    The question is what can it do now to enforce the existing mandate given that the Congolese military has legged it leaving 800 MONUC troops in Goma to face off to Laurent Nkunda

    "We will respect MONUC. We cannot engage them, but if they shoot at us, they are soldiers, we will have to defend ourselves," he said.

    "MONUC cannot refuse me to go to Goma. They are incapable of securing the people of Goma so how can they refuse me to "


    The answer to that is not entirely obvious