Will my UK spec LCD tv work in Germany

#1
I'm off to sunny Germany soon and I'm currently trying to squeeze my giant telly into the back of my car.

Then I had a horrible thought - will my tv work over there?

Probably a bone question, but any advice would be greatly appreciated.

2B.
 
#3
When did Germany start using 110 volts? Have I slipped into some kind of strange dream world where Germany changed their voltage system affecting the every electrical piece of equipment in the country?
Your tv will work in Germany, you may have to play with the audio settings, but you will certainly get BFBS on it (if you are in the right areas).
 
#4
I was in Germany 75-78 and 85-88 and it was 230 volts on a 2 pin "Shuko" plug then. It has never been 110 Volts.

I seem to remember that on the TVs, the picture will work, but the sound wouldn't unless the set had been modified.

See here :

http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm
 
#5
your tv will work fine,if you have sky take it with you.You can change your UK plugs at any hive for german plugs free of charge even though they only cost a few euros,you can buy German extensions cable/sockets for a few euros aswell.
 
#6
RABC said:
I was in Germany 75-78 and 85-88 and it was 230 volts on a 2 pin "Shuko" plug then. It has never been 110 Volts.

I seem to remember that on the TVs, the picture will work, but the sound wouldn't unless the set had been modified.

See here :

http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm
Thought so RABC,
I remember we had to get out TV's fitted with some sort of chip circuit or something in order for them to work.
 

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#7
Germany is on 230v 50hz now and has been for at least the 20 years I have been there - unless you live on a US army base.
You will need to change your plugs, but I suggest you buy a couple of UK multi-socket extensions for your TV/Hi-Fi demands, then you just need to change a couple rather than a dozen.

Edited to add.
Most TV's now are multi-system covering PAL, SECAM and NTSC. The old problems of picture and no sound were because of the different transmissions of PAL B and G etc.
 
#8
I remember pre BFBS what we used to get on the TV was some old scratchy subtitled black and white movie on German 3 on a thursday night about 10:00 pm

Rushed back to the block from the NAAFI after getting some Embassy No1 fags bought with my tear off fag coupons part of my how many a month i was allowed

Mind you, when I joined up, everything was in black and white
 
#9
spike7451 said:
RABC said:
I was in Germany 75-78 and 85-88 and it was 230 volts on a 2 pin "Shuko" plug then. It has never been 110 Volts.

I seem to remember that on the TVs, the picture will work, but the sound wouldn't unless the set had been modified.

See here :

http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm
Thought so RABC,
I remember we had to get out TV's fitted with some sort of chip circuit or something in order for them to work.
Aaahhh, the early days of BFBS TV! The box had to be modified because the German authorities didn't want the locals corrupted by the delights of BFBS TV, so they transmitted the audio at a slightly different frequency, IIRC! And the locally manufactured aerials hanging outside the block/MQs were a sight to behold!

The Magic Roundabout, anyone? Or how to clear the tank park at 1630hrs...

Litotes
 
#10
Cabana said:
When did Germany start using 110 volts? Have I slipped into some kind of strange dream world where Germany changed their voltage system affecting the every electrical piece of equipment in the country?
Your tv will work in Germany, you may have to play with the audio settings, but you will certainly get BFBS on it (if you are in the right areas).
West Germany was definitely on 220V 50Hz by 1973. But I am not certain about any earlier, or about East Germany. In Britain, the move to 240V 50Hz was over a long period of time, and 200V DC was used in some areas until the 1950s, IIRC.

I recently drove through a village in Sussex and noticed that all the houses were supplied by the old style low-level metal pylons and overhead cables that I think were used to carry DC voltage.

Litotes
 
#11
Litotes said:
Cabana said:
When did Germany start using 110 volts? Have I slipped into some kind of strange dream world where Germany changed their voltage system affecting the every electrical piece of equipment in the country?
Your tv will work in Germany, you may have to play with the audio settings, but you will certainly get BFBS on it (if you are in the right areas).
West Germany was definitely on 220V 50Hz by 1973. But I am not certain about any earlier, or about East Germany. In Britain, the move to 240V 50Hz was over a long period of time, and 200V DC was used in some areas until the 1950s, IIRC.

I recently drove through a village in Sussex and noticed that all the houses were supplied by the old style low-level metal pylons and overhead cables that I think were used to carry DC voltage.

Litotes
Blimey! I never knew that DC was used like that, I always thought mains power was AC. :oops:
 
#12
A lot of new TV's are multi region and 110-240v therefore often there shouldn't be a problem unless your going to one of the more obscure parts of the world.
 
#13
If i remember righlty all EU countries including the UK are supposed to ben on 230V +/- 6%.

The UK hasn't quite achieved this so we use 230V +10%/ -6%, but you won't have any problems with it working in terms of voltage etc.
 

Alsacien

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#14
acm2205 said:
If i remember righlty all EU countries including the UK are supposed to ben on 230V +/- 6%.

The UK hasn't quite achieved this so we use 230V +10%/ -6%, but you won't have any problems with it working in terms of voltage etc.
Try France - I get between 214 and 245 depending on what room I am in at my French place.....oh and fcuk all every time the reactor starts to cook - which is about once a week....
 
#15
Wow - quite the electrics lesson - but very much appreciated!

2B.
 
#16
Alsacien said:
acm2205 said:
If i remember righlty all EU countries including the UK are supposed to ben on 230V +/- 6%.

The UK hasn't quite achieved this so we use 230V +10%/ -6%, but you won't have any problems with it working in terms of voltage etc.
Try France - I get between 214 and 245 depending on what room I am in at my French place.....oh and fcuk all every time the reactor starts to cook - which is about once a week....
Alsacien,

If you are really seeing voltages ranging from 214 to 245V in your place (or is that a typo for "palace"?), then I would be concerned. With an adequate ring-main in place, the voltage fluctuations within a building should be quite small, dependent on what heavy duty electricals are running. Are you sure that your input voltage isn't fluctuating? Input voltages can vary if you live in the country with low voltage overhead cables or close to an industrial estate with heavy duty machines running all the time.

I am on a residential circuit here in the UK (all houses - no industry), and the voltage fluctuates by less than 5%; it is pretty clean.

Litotes
 
#17
Right ffs your telly will work and now (i know this will upset the old and bold) you get a digi box for your room from the sqms, for your pad you have to go to the housing bods and then to ssvc for the card the singlies in the block dont need the card.Then you will receive 6 channels, bfbs 1+2 sky sports 1+2 bbc news 24 and a music channel now through the bfbs channels you get all the pay per view football matches so if you have sky you dont need to buy the season ticket just pick up your box from bfbs and bobs your dads brother.
 

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#18
Litotes said:
Alsacien said:
acm2205 said:
If i remember righlty all EU countries including the UK are supposed to ben on 230V +/- 6%.

The UK hasn't quite achieved this so we use 230V +10%/ -6%, but you won't have any problems with it working in terms of voltage etc.
Try France - I get between 214 and 245 depending on what room I am in at my French place.....oh and fcuk all every time the reactor starts to cook - which is about once a week....
Alsacien,

If you are really seeing voltages ranging from 214 to 245V in your place (or is that a typo for "palace"?), then I would be concerned. With an adequate ring-main in place, the voltage fluctuations within a building should be quite small, dependent on what heavy duty electricals are running. Are you sure that your input voltage isn't fluctuating? Input voltages can vary if you live in the country with low voltage overhead cables or close to an industrial estate with heavy duty machines running all the time.

I am on a residential circuit here in the UK (all houses - no industry), and the voltage fluctuates by less than 5%; it is pretty clean.

Litotes
Yeah, I am concerned, local sparkies are only interested in big jobs not sorting out wiring by an artist set on using every colour in the rainbow.
I am ok with the basics and have rewired the celler level myself, but the rest is buried in wooden walls. Changed all the 40 year old sockets and switches for new insulated ones - but need a pro to sort out replacing the relays and other complicated stuff that relates to insurance.

France - nice place, shame about the electrics and the drains..... :roll:
 
#19
Alsacien said:
Litotes said:
Alsacien said:
acm2205 said:
If i remember righlty all EU countries including the UK are supposed to ben on 230V +/- 6%.

The UK hasn't quite achieved this so we use 230V +10%/ -6%, but you won't have any problems with it working in terms of voltage etc.
Try France - I get between 214 and 245 depending on what room I am in at my French place.....oh and fcuk all every time the reactor starts to cook - which is about once a week....
Alsacien,

If you are really seeing voltages ranging from 214 to 245V in your place (or is that a typo for "palace"?), then I would be concerned. With an adequate ring-main in place, the voltage fluctuations within a building should be quite small, dependent on what heavy duty electricals are running. Are you sure that your input voltage isn't fluctuating? Input voltages can vary if you live in the country with low voltage overhead cables or close to an industrial estate with heavy duty machines running all the time.

I am on a residential circuit here in the UK (all houses - no industry), and the voltage fluctuates by less than 5%; it is pretty clean.

Litotes
Yeah, I am concerned, local sparkies are only interested in big jobs not sorting out wiring by an artist set on using every colour in the rainbow.
I am ok with the basics and have rewired the celler level myself, but the rest is buried in wooden walls. Changed all the 40 year old sockets and switches for new insulated ones - but need a pro to sort out replacing the relays and other complicated stuff that relates to insurance.

France - nice place, shame about the electrics and the drains..... :roll:
Relays? WTF are you running in this house/palace?

40 year old wiring should be OK as long as it is PVC covered. Earlier cables had a cotton covering (replace), rubber (replace). Some of the earlier PVC cables were awful and have started to disintegrate; I have never seen an example but if the surface of the cable is sticky, then replace it.

Red and black with an unsheathed earth was the earlier standard. Later wiring can be brown, blue and green/yellow.

The most complex bit in a house, IMHO, is the fusebox and the way in which the 3 phase supply is distributed, if you have such a supply. Few houses in the UK have 3 phase but I know that older Continental houses still use 3 phase.

A good earth is vital for modern systems and you might need to bury a copper plate in the garden.

If you have voltage drops within the building, it means that you have poor connections which will heat up under normal use and during an overload. Heat in a wooden wall is not a good idea!

I worked for a sparky a long while ago, and he swore that the best fault finder for voltage drops was a 3KW electric fire and a voltmeter attached to a plug. Plug in the heater to the furthest socket from the fusebox, and use the voltmeter to work from the fusebox towards the heater.

Litotes
 

Alsacien

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#20
Its just a house.

Cables are PVC and look fine - especially if you like pretty colours (purple, orange, red, black, dark blue, light blue, brown, yellow and earth), just the sockets and switches were flaky.

The fusebox is 3 phase from a 410volt, 30 amp street supply (in France your standing charge is based on your amp setting).

I think you are right about the earth needing improvement, I will look into that - though that might be why I get a reading of 109v off the dishwasher chassis...

Thanks for the tips.
 

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