WhyOhWhyOhWhy!!!! Cops and....

#2
It depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic, or if they were just super-soakers.

If they looked real, they shouldn't have been out playing with them.
 
#3
cut and pasted from the article....

It is often impossible to distinguish between real and replica guns, and members of the public who get a glimpse of a weapon will, naturally, call police with their concerns

Oh dear....................the water coming out of the end would be a clue ...wouldn't it ??????

I bet this report has been watered down.


dog...gone :D
 
#4
Belt_Twit said:
It depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic, or if they were just super-soakers.

If they looked real, they shouldn't have been out playing with them.
Glad to see you living up to your name with that post.
 
#5
Points to consider when you put yourselves in the shoes of the police:

- They were teenage boys, not 7/8 year olds.
- Was the water pistol in the shape/style of a real firearm?

I am assuming the complainant didn't see water coming out of the end, and some of the toy guns out these days are actually pretty real looking for someone who's not seen a real firearm, especially from a distance.

Basically the Police did the right thing, this isn't really even worthy of a story.
 
#7
I know the cops are between the devil and the deep blue sea on these occasions, but,........................these toys are normally brightly coloured and are sold legally in the UK for childish amusement.

Why do the police on every such call need to go in with 'all guns blazing' so to speak? Aren't there occasions where an ordinary plod can do a little drive by and suss the situation out or could the caller have been questioned more?

Sometimes its that little stiffy or over zealous lack of risk assessment.
 
#8
Don't see the problem here. Police get a call from a concerned citizen about a potential fire arm. They respond with the approriatly trained personal. Upon arriveing they see two kids with water pistols, have a quite word and go.

The fault here lies with the fecking curtain twitcher who saw two kids playing with water pistols and instead of using a bit of common dog and taking a better look just had a knee jerk reaction and called the police.
 
#9
Belt_Twit said:
Steven said:
Belt_Twit said:
It depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic, or if they were just super-soakers.

If they looked real, they shouldn't have been out playing with them.
Glad to see you living up to your name with that post.
And how is that?
Children out playing with toys.

And because some tithead gets all jittery you want it stopped? Why?

Makes you a twit.
 
#10
Steven said:
Belt_Twit said:
Steven said:
Belt_Twit said:
It depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic, or if they were just super-soakers.

If they looked real, they shouldn't have been out playing with them.
Glad to see you living up to your name with that post.
And how is that?
Children out playing with toys.

And because some tithead gets all jittery you want it stopped? Why?

Makes you a twit.
If you read my post you will notice I said 'it depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic'. If police get a report of what looks like a firearm, fecking right they respond. I am not saying the curtain-twitcher was in the right or wrong, as we don't know the context of this.

Please use some kind of logic before you just try and throw a cheap insult, there's a good chap.
 
#11
First reality check, this was Churchdown, Gloucestershire a bit between Gloucester and Cheltenham not Kennington, Moss Side or Tottenham. Sure we don't know the full circumstances of this but it smacks of a scene from Hot Fuzz.
 
#12
There are firearms in even small towns now. Not to the same extent, but they are about.

I still don't get why this is even a story. Someone called the police, they came out and assessed the situation and dealt with it accordingly (if it had been a real firearm and a normal beat officer had arrived, it'd have taken another 20 minutes or whatever for the armed police to arrive. Thus making it impractical).

Perhaps the headline "Shock Revelation, Police Doing Their Job" would have been more close to the truth. And no, that wasn't a dig at the police.

[Edited due to fat fingers]
 
#13
Belt_Twit said:
Steven said:
Belt_Twit said:
Steven said:
Belt_Twit said:
It depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic, or if they were just super-soakers.

If they looked real, they shouldn't have been out playing with them.
Glad to see you living up to your name with that post.
And how is that?
Children out playing with toys.

And because some tithead gets all jittery you want it stopped? Why?

Makes you a twit.
If you read my post you will notice I said 'it depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic'. If police get a report of what looks like a firearm, fecking right they respond. I am not saying the curtain-twitcher was in the right or wrong, as we don't know the context of this.

Please use some kind of logic before you just try and throw a cheap insult, there's a good chap.
You said that the children should not be out playing with toys that may look realistic.

You would stop children playing if their toys look too good? What will you stop next?

I hadn't realised that the UK society had gone that far to the dogs.
 
#14
If I saw a child playing with a toy gun, I'd most likely be able to tell it was a toy as I have firearms experience. For an old woman who has never seen a real firearm before, though, the scenario is entirely different.

If a weapon is realistic looking and it is being weilded in a public place, then there is always the risk someone will mistake it for a real firearm.

What is so hard to understand about that? It's not a case of being a killjoy, it's a case of being realistic in the modern world where shootings are becoming more of a regular occurance.

I used to play with toy guns when I was a child, but my parents made sure I did it in an area that would not attract attention or cause mistaken identifications. Because when you have some common sense you can see that: real looking weapon + public place = recipe for an incident.
 
#15
The old bill are in a no win on this one

Curtain twicher calls in that a group of teenagers with firearms, they send round a community support officer he gets slotted everyone's up in arms

Basically a bit of common from civvies should be enough

Just assess the situation,is it raining so how come they getting wet.

Waste of a tax code!!!!!!!
 
#16
Belt_Twit said:
If I saw a child playing with a toy gun, I'd most likely be able to tell it was a toy as I have firearms experience. For an old woman who has never seen a real firearm before, though, the scenario is entirely different.

If a weapon is realistic looking and it is being weilded in a public place, then there is always the risk someone will mistake it for a real firearm.

What is so hard to understand about that? It's not a case of being a killjoy, it's a case of being realistic in the modern world where shootings are becoming more of a regular occurance.

I used to play with toy guns when I was a child, but my parents made sure I did it in an area that would not attract attention or cause mistaken identifications. Because when you have some common sense you can see that: real looking weapon + public place = recipe for an incident.
From your viewpoint you are right, the problem I have is that your viewpoint in this case is a terrible way of looking at the world.

Maybe you are right and I am out of touch but don't you think that your reaction "Ban it, legislate against it, make it illegal" (I know you didn't put exactly that but that was the essence of your post) is the Big Brother/nanny state at its worst?

Maybe I have just been lucky but when I look out of my window and see a couple of kids running around with guns I don't automatically reach for my CBA and skid lid.
 
#17
Steven said:
Belt_Twit said:
If I saw a child playing with a toy gun, I'd most likely be able to tell it was a toy as I have firearms experience. For an old woman who has never seen a real firearm before, though, the scenario is entirely different.

If a weapon is realistic looking and it is being weilded in a public place, then there is always the risk someone will mistake it for a real firearm.

What is so hard to understand about that? It's not a case of being a killjoy, it's a case of being realistic in the modern world where shootings are becoming more of a regular occurance.

I used to play with toy guns when I was a child, but my parents made sure I did it in an area that would not attract attention or cause mistaken identifications. Because when you have some common sense you can see that: real looking weapon + public place = recipe for an incident.
From your viewpoint you are right, the problem I have is that your viewpoint in this case is a terrible way of looking at the world.

Maybe you are right and I am out of touch but don't you think that your reaction "Ban it, legislate against it, make it illegal" (I know you didn't put exactly that but that was the essence of your post) is the Big Brother/nanny state at its worst?

Maybe I have just been lucky but when I look out of my window and see a couple of kids running around with guns I don't automatically reach for my CBA and skid lid.
That is not even SLIGHTLY the essence of my post. As you will see in the 'cannabis reclassification' thread my view point is such that I am very opposed to increased legistlation and more criminalistion of activities.

What I am arguing here, is that if people are playing with toy guns in public they should be prepared - if the weapons are realistic - for an incident such as this to occur. Let people make their own mistakes. I am not saying ban them at all, just don't be surprised when something like this does happen. If they don't want something like this to be a possibility of happening, they should not be out playing with realistic toy guns.

Hence me saying this is not worthy of a story.
 
#18
Belt_Twit said:
Steven said:
Belt_Twit said:
Steven said:
Belt_Twit said:
It depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic, or if they were just super-soakers.

If they looked real, they shouldn't have been out playing with them.
Glad to see you living up to your name with that post.
And how is that?
Children out playing with toys.

And because some tithead gets all jittery you want it stopped? Why?

Makes you a twit.
If you read my post you will notice I said 'it depends if the water pistols were made to look realistic'. If police get a report of what looks like a firearm, fecking right they respond. I am not saying the curtain-twitcher was in the right or wrong, as we don't know the context of this.

Please use some kind of logic before you just try and throw a cheap insult, there's a good chap.
Police can only respond to the information they have been given. If a member of the public calls and reports they have seen someone with a firearm, Armed Response is the ONLY option. Sending unarmed coppers to drive by and recce the situation is inviting disastor.

I doubt Plod would have sent ARU if the old dear had said the boys were "armed" with water pistols; either she did'nt know or she did but chose not to inform the police.

A non story, really. :roll:
 
#19
Belt_Twit said:
this isn't really even worthy of a story.

Ofcourse its not 99% of columns is not news worthy, pure gutter press nowadays, they make a simple shitty story and hype it up on the front page. Go look at the newspapers unless there is ofcourse a real story to report, it will be filled with "celebrities" e.g page 2 "known celeb size 0 WE say NO -back our campaign!(because we want to please the public)" Page 10 " known celeb has been eating too many pies and let herself go, get to the gym! ( while scum hiding in a bush snapping said person on the beach on holiday)" The media is total shite . Rant over :)

And for the Poolicee! they were just doing their job, unless it looked like a real gun the people who reported this should be hung, reminds me of the cnut who lives down your road who sits in front of the windows reporting everything and anything that goes wrong down the street.
 
#20
callum13 said:
Belt_Twit said:
this isn't really even worthy of a story.

Ofcourse its not 99% of columns is not news worthy, pure gutter press nowadays, they make a simple shitty story and hype it up on the front page. Go look at the newspapers unless there is ofcourse a real story to report, it will be filled with "celebrities" e.g page 2 "known celeb size 0 WE say NO -back our campaign!(because we want to please the public)" Page 10 " known celeb has been eating too many pies and let herself go, get to the gym! ( while scum hiding in a bush snapping said person on the beach on holiday)" The media is total shite . Rant over :)

And for the Poolicee! they were just doing their job, unless it looked like a real gun the people who reported this should be hung, reminds me of the cnut who lives down your road who sits in front of the windows reporting everything and anything that goes wrong down the street.


Bloody hell Callum 13

You given up smoking ...... :D
 

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