Why We Need a Navy

seaweed

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For those who can't be bothered: reducing the UK's maritime defence capability will reduce the UK's maritime defence capability.

Next time: why improving your heart health gives you a healthier heart.
 
#4
Because we are an island nation, with 14 overseas territories and a military geared towards overseas expeditionary warfare. Not only that, but for the last few decades they have been the heaviest hit and most neglected.
 
#5
Why are they any more deserving than the crabs or pongos?
Because try as they might and no matter how big their egos, crabs and pongos can't walk on water.
 
#6
Why are they any more deserving than the crabs or pongos?
I think the point is rather that none of the above constitutes a charity/worthy cause and should not be seen as discretionary.
 
#7
We're an island. Any questions?

Much as I take the mick on the odd occasion, the Andrew are by far the most important of the services to our national interest. Another plus is it'll piss off the crabs.
 
#8
We're an island. Any questions?

Much as I take the mick on the odd occasion, the Andrew are by far the most important of the services to our national interest. Another plus is it'll piss off the crabs.
If it's between RAF and Navy, Navy any day. Army and Navy? The two are pretty much equal in importance as far as I see it.
 

seaweed

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#9
No Navy, and the Army isn't going anywhere. So what does that do to the Army's case for numbers?
 
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If it's between RAF and Navy, Navy any day. Army and Navy? The two are pretty much equal in importance as far as I see it.
Thanks to the RM and FAA, the RN can deploy power overseas by air, land and sea. True, sustaining combat ops away from the coast might cause some difficulties but that's what we have an army for.

The RN is the only true all-rounder of the three services.
 
#11
No Navy, and the Army isn't going anywhere. So what does that do to the Army's case for numbers?

So the Army is'nt transported in & out of Afghan & other similar theatres by air?

Agree'd the Falklands & other high profile commitments their prescence is highly needed,
 

Guns

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#12
The troops might fly in but all the heavy equipment, fuel, food and stores are taken by sea in Point Class RFA type vessels. They get RN escort through the difficult bits and have RN personal onboard for Force Protection.
 

seaweed

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#13
Porr dim beemer. How do you think all the heavy stuff gets there? Or gets to Pakistan to be trucked in, Taliban permitting? On wheels?
 

Guns

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#14
Also to consider 95% of UK physical trade is moved via the sea. There are 9 key pinch points that over 80% of trans-ocean shipping must pass through and most of them are not in nice places. If terrorists or nation states start hacking at ships going through the Gulf of Aden and Suez Canal then all hell with let loose. Insurance costs will go through the roof and shipping will take the long route around SA. And the extra cost is only coming from one direction, the consumer.

So we need a balanced Navy to either protect our shipping or if necessary use a big stick on a country that thinks about blocking trade routes.
 
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Porr dim beemer. How do you think all the heavy stuff gets there? Or gets to Pakistan to be trucked in, Taliban permitting? On wheels?
It was'nt a dig in general & i'm fully aware bulk logistics is transported via sea as with 95% of commercial freight goods etc, however it's the Top brass whom have to convince White/MOD where & what is needed, it is well known/common knowledge it's tit for tat fighting each service corner,

Also a UK Navy which is being reduced is ineffective and basically a mere home protection force in most cases, no wonder other Countries are monitoring our defences with a keen eye to the strategic importance of what the UK can only afford not commit to,

I 'do' agree we need a balance Navy, as for the case for Numbers? it's only media speculation to all this of which we'll find out the root & branch cuts next Month

If the ball was on the other foot similar debates would no doubt arrise....
 
#16
Its also down to speed of response if the ballon goes up. There is the old (and slightly inaccurate) saying that you can build an army in months, an airforce takes years, but to build a navy takes more than a decade.................
 
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Thanks to the RM and FAA, the RN can deploy power overseas by air, land and sea. True, sustaining combat ops away from the coast might cause some difficulties but that's what we have an army for.

The RN is the only true all-rounder of the three services.
Entirely true. However if we had another world war, a lack of a Navy would doom us immediately, but a lack of an army would mean we could only ever lose.
 
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Just one step closer to the time when we will have no option but to accept a united Europe military force. Seems all part of the masterplan. Just surprised about how blatent they've been about it - would've thought they'd at least put some effort into disguising the true intention.

To be honest, what exactly do we have left to protect?
 

the_boy_syrup

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#20
Navy chiefs have been ordered to freeze the training of new recruits for six months in draconian defence cuts.
The Senior Service is expected lose of 10,000 of its 40,000 personnel in the next four years – the biggest cuts since the Second World War.
The freeze will close the shore base HMS Raleigh, the Navy’s premier training establishment, for 30 weeks


Read more: Training of new sailors is frozen in Navy for six months in Navy cuts | Mail Online
 

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