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Why the military do what they do - The Ultimate Put Down.

#1
This came round the e-mail at work and I was so bl**dy impressed I thought fellow members of ARRSE members would enjoy it too. I apologise for not quoting the original sourse as I do not have one:

JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 200411:13

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This is a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn’t my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.
I ask you to go with me as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies -in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn’t hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.

You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty - that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible.

I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"

For those who don't know - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA.

Its pretty powerful stuff. Any thoughts?
 

Goatman

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Book Reviewer
#4
Nice one 8)

John Glenn orbited the earth in a Gemini capsule - w-a-a-a-a-a-a-y before Apollo 9.....sort of activity where they were ALMOST certain he wouldn't die on the mnission...but not 100%.

Why is it that with people like him and John McCain in the Senate ( USN fighter pilot and former Vietnam POW ) , the US electorate keep on returning amiable but dim millionaires to the Oval office ?

Why do they only get decent Presidents courtesy of Hollywood ?

Beats the sh7t outta me......


America, a mystery, inside a riddle, wrapped in an enigma :)

Lee Shaver
 
#5
As pointed out in another thread, interesting to note that John Glenn is a Democrat.

The reason I mention this is because when this email has gone around here, it usually has a little rant attached at the top about Iraq, World War II and how great Republicans are. If you do get this independently, then a preface attached is worth noting.
 
#6
We do a job
The others forsake
We look for excitment
The others seek normality
We have bonded friendships
The others are selfish
We live day to day
The others live to live
We take the bullet
The others pull the trigger
We don't question
The others want answers
We trust in each other
The others are weary
We get caught in the middle
The others rip and tear
We die
So that the others do not
We get buried with honours
The others get buried
We are Soldiers, We are Kings
The others we serve
We have the last words
Honour, Integrity, Trust and Friendship
The others, they blame

anon
 
#7
In fact, Glenn made the speech during a 1974 debate with Metzenbaum for the Democratic nomination to a U.S. Senate seat, but the circumstances that prompted Glenn's words were not quite as they're made out to be above.

A few days before a May 3 debate between the candidates at the Cleveland City Club, Metzenbaum (an entrepreneur who had created the US Sun Newspapers chain in the 1960s and had co-founded APCOA, one of the nation's largest parking companies) charged that "Colonel Glenn" had never "met a payroll," implying that Glenn's background as a career military man meant he was lacking in the real-world business experience a U.S. Senator should possess. (Metzenbaum's claim wasn't quite accurate: After his retirement from the Marine Corps, Glenn had held a position as a business executive with Royal Crown Cola and had served both as a member of the board of directors and as president of Royal Crown International.)

Metzenbaum's comment was widely publicized and interpreted by many — including Glenn himself — as a slam that Glenn had "never held a (real) job (even though Metzenbaum hadn't actually used those words), and Glenn went into the Cleveland debate a few days later well-prepared to answer the charges. Although Metzenbaum didn't raise the "job" issue during the debate, Glenn nonetheless seized the opportunity to launch into his carefully-crafted "I have held a job" retort, invoking stirring images of motherhood, sacrifice, and patriotism. Although it was a rehearsed speech rather than the impromptu response legend has since made it out to be, Glenn's stinging rebuke to Metzenbaum was a masterful stroke that swung momentum in his favor. He bested Metzenbaum by 8 percentage points in the primary and was elected to the U.S. Senate in the general election, carrying all 88 counties in Ohio in the process.

Both men went on to enjoy long political careers, Glenn serving four consecutive terms in the U.S. Senate before retiring in 1998 and Metzenbaum winning election to the U.S. Senate three times himself, but the timeless lesson of that 1974 campaign will outlive them both: You impugn the reputation of a national hero at your own peril — especially when he has better speechwriters than you do.
 
#8
ducati916 said:
We do a job
The others forsake
We look for excitment
The others seek normality
We have bonded friendships
The others are selfish
We live day to day
The others live to live
We take the bullet
The others pull the trigger
We don't question
The others want answers
We trust in each other
The others are weary
We get caught in the middle
The others rip and tear
We die
So that the others do not
We get buried with honours
The others get buried
We are Soldiers, We are Kings
The others we serve
We have the last words
Honour, Integrity, Trust and Friendship
The others, they blame

anon
Feckin 'ell you'll have me crying in a minute, blubbin like a baby!

Get a grip, your sounding as soppy as some septic tank! There's enough americanisation of this country without the British Army turning into a bunch of limp yanks! Christ, you'll be scrawling "Born to Kill!" on your bloody helmet next!

It's just not British, self pity and self gratification, stiff upper lip and that, the vast majority of the British population respect and admire the British Army without this self indulgence puke! :twisted:
 
#9
How about...

God, give me what you left
Give me what no one ever requests.

I am not asking you for rest
Nor tranquility
Neither that of the soul, nor of the body.

I am not asking for wealth
Nor success, or even health.

You are asked for all of these so often
That you must have none left.

Give me God, what you do have left.
Give me what no one wants.

I seek insecurity and disquiet.
I seek torment and combat.
And, God, give them to me indefinitly.
That I am sure to have them always
Because I won't always have the courage to
Ask you

Give me, God, what you have left.
Give me what other don't want.
But also give me courage, strength and faith.

Written by Andre Zirnheld.
Parachutiste, Free French Forces,
Killed in action, 1942.

Gets me every time, tears welling.....
 
#10
Fcukwit wrote:

ducati916 wrote:
We do a job
The others forsake
We look for excitment
The others seek normality
We have bonded friendships
The others are selfish
We live day to day
The others live to live
We take the bullet
The others pull the trigger
We don't question
The others want answers
We trust in each other
The others are weary
We get caught in the middle
The others rip and tear
We die
So that the others do not
We get buried with honours
The others get buried
We are Soldiers, We are Kings
The others we serve
We have the last words
Honour, Integrity, Trust and Friendship
The others, they blame

anon

Feckin 'ell you'll have me crying in a minute, blubbin like a baby!

Get a grip, your sounding as soppy as some septic tank! There's enough americanisation of this country without the British Army turning into a bunch of limp yanks! Christ, you'll be scrawling "Born to Kill!" on your bloody helmet next!

It's just not British, self pity and self gratification, stiff upper lip and that, the vast majority of the British population respect and admire the British Army without this self indulgence puke!

Hmm your first post, coming out off the corner waving your teddy about. Well "sonny jim" if I want to write something about the Army in which I serve I will, if I want to post or quote something alittle emotional I will. "Stiff upper lip and that" what a plonker. The "others" I refer to, who do you think I am referring to? You tend to think I am reffering to the British Public.
Americanisation, I think not, self indulgent, I think not. Serving or not, I would quite happily categorize you as one of the "Others". You fcuking pr1ck.
 
#11
ducati916 said:
Fcukwit wrote:

ducati916 wrote:
We do a job
The others forsake
We look for excitment
The others seek normality
We have bonded friendships
The others are selfish
We live day to day
The others live to live
We take the bullet
The others pull the trigger
We don't question
The others want answers
We trust in each other
The others are weary
We get caught in the middle
The others rip and tear
We die
So that the others do not
We get buried with honours
The others get buried
We are Soldiers, We are Kings
The others we serve
We have the last words
Honour, Integrity, Trust and Friendship
The others, they blame

anon

Feckin 'ell you'll have me crying in a minute, blubbin like a baby!

Get a grip, your sounding as soppy as some septic tank! There's enough americanisation of this country without the British Army turning into a bunch of limp yanks! Christ, you'll be scrawling "Born to Kill!" on your bloody helmet next!

It's just not British, self pity and self gratification, stiff upper lip and that, the vast majority of the British population respect and admire the British Army without this self indulgence puke!

Hmm your first post, coming out off the corner waving your teddy about. Well "sonny jim" if I want to write something about the Army in which I serve I will, if I want to post or quote something alittle emotional I will. "Stiff upper lip and that" what a plonker. The "others" I refer to, who do you think I am referring to? You tend to think I am reffering to the British Public.
Americanisation, I think not, self indulgent, I think not. Serving or not, I would quite happily categorize you as one of the "Others". You fcuking pr1ck.
Whether it was my first post or my feckin 100000th post, I'm still right, where did you get the poem, was it the script off blackhawk down, band of brothers, We were soldiers or some other feckin sh1te american film?

you feckin girls blouse! pull yourself together and get on with the job! If you are serving you're probably in some cushy rear echelon area.
 
#12
Goatman said:
Nice one 8)

John Glenn orbited the earth in a Gemini capsule - w-a-a-a-a-a-a-y before Apollo 9.....sort of activity where they were ALMOST certain he wouldn't die on the mnission...but not 100%.

Why is it that with people like him and John McCain in the Senate ( USN fighter pilot and former Vietnam POW ) , the US electorate keep on returning amiable but dim millionaires to the Oval office ?

Why do they only get decent Presidents courtesy of Hollywood ?

Beats the sh7t outta me......


America, a mystery, inside a riddle, wrapped in an enigma :)

Lee Shaver
See the "Spam in the Can" speech from Tom Wolfes "The Right Stuff".

Hey, do you think thats where the nickname comes from? :D
 
#13
:? Oh Dear.

In the interests of, err, interest I Googled some lines of that poem to see if I could ascertain a source. ....

Your search - "Honour, Integrity, Trust and Friendship" - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.



I am so not surprised.
 
#14
Here's another you won't like:

He was getting old and paunchy
And his hair was falling fast
and he sat around the Legion
Telling stories of the past.
Of a war that he had fought in
And the deeds that he had done.
In his exploits with his buddies
They were heroes,every one.

Though sometimes to his neighbours,
His tales became a joke.
All his Legion buddies listened
For they knew whereof he spoke,
But we'll hear his tales no longer.
For old Bill has passed away
And the world's a little poorer,
For a soldier died today

He'll not be mourned by many
Just his children and his wife.
For he lived an ordinary,
Quiet and uneventful life.
Held a job and raised a family
Quietly going his own way;
And the world won't note his passing,
Though a soldier died today.

When politicians leave this earth
Their bodies lie in state.
While thousands note their passing
And proclaim that they were great.
Papers tell their life stories from
The time that they were young,
But the passing of a soldier
Goes unnoticed and unsung.

Is the greatest contribution
To the welfare of our land.
A guy who breaks his promises
And cons his fellow man?
Or the ordinary fellow who,
In times of war and strife.
Goes off to serve his country
And offers up his life?

A politicians stipend and the
Style in which he lives.
Are sometimes disproportionate
To the service that he gives.
While the ordinary soldier
Who offers up his all.
Is paid off with a medal (if they ever get round to issuing them!!)
And perhaps a pension small.

It's so easy to forget them
For it was so long ago.
That the "Old Bills" of our country
Went to battle, but we know.
It was not politicians
With their compromise and ploys.
Who won for us the freedom
That our country now enjoys

Should you ever find yourself in danger
With your enemies at hand.
Would you want a politician
With his ever-shifting stand?
Or would you prefer a soldier
Who has sworn to defend.
His home,his kin and country
And would fight until the end?

He was just a common soldier
And his ranks are growing thin,
But his presence should remind us
We may need his like again.
For when countries are in conflict
Then we find the soldiers part,
Is to clean up all the troubles
That the politicians start

If we cannot do him honour
While he's here to hear the praise.
Then at least let's give him homage
At the ending of his days.
Perhaps just a simple headline
In a paper that would say.
"Our Country Is In Mourning,
For a Soldier Died Today" !!!!

Anon (gets around a bit!)
 
#15
Biscuits_Brown said:
:? Oh Dear.

In the interests of, err, interest I Googled some lines of that poem to see if I could ascertain a source. ....

Your search - "Honour, Integrity, Trust and Friendship" - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.



I am so not surprised.

"Results 1 - 10 of about 176,000 for deceit politicians. (0.91 seconds)" :D
 
#17
Another good poem

MORALE

Through blistering heat and distant haze
A desolate sh@thole takes my gaze
Smelly, filthy, and practically destroyed
I curse the day I f@cking deployed

Looking about the landscape before me
Rubble and wrecks are what I see
A peaceful world, that was the goal
So here I am, stuck in this sh@thole

Soldiers are depressed and morale is low
At least we had Nell and a CSE show
I lay awake and wonder why I’m here
The cnts in charge won’t allow us beer

Wake early, to fill a billion sandbags
Is it 'any wonder, the f@cking day drags
Get f@cked around for no reason at all
The press make out we’re having a ball

Walk around, face like a wet weekend
Four on, four off. This place we defend
With body armour on, the body can’t cool
Cheer up boys, take a dip in that swamp of a pool

Smile lads, we got it good here
Oh, I’ll smile, when you get the f@cking beer
It’s not that hard, nor too bizarre
There’s an Iso full of the sh@t, in Umm Qsar

I’m on the up, there’s light at the end of the tunnel
Very soon I’ll be drinking Stella through a funnel
Cutting about the dome, our camp, our base
You’ll see me staggering, a p@ssed up disgrace

For now I stay, and curse and moan
Until the day that I go home
So I close my eyes and wonder why I’m here
And fall asleep, to dream of beer

(UNKOWN RTR CHAP TELIC II)
 
#18
Bump

Just found this excellent thread.

Biscuits_Brown said:
:? Oh Dear.

In the interests of, err, interest I Googled some lines of that poem to see if I could ascertain a source. ....

Your search - "Honour, Integrity, Trust and Friendship" - did not match any documents.


Biscuits, if you want to search for sources like this, use an odd turn of phrase, or a few unlinked words and put the lot in one set of " "s

I used "why military personnel do what" and came up with this which seems to be a definitive answer on the source.

(Strangely enough from a site about Rumour and Truth) :roll:

Good stuff from other posters too :D
 

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