Why should I train your recruits if you cant be arrsed?

Discussion in 'Army Reserve' started by Bravo_Bravo, Jun 4, 2007.

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  1. Having spent a bit of time largeing it at a Regional Recruit Training Wing, I've realised that, although they train all kinds of capbadged bods, the instructors tend to be from a limited number of units.

    I've also realised that there are a number of units that continually send recruits but no instructors.

    I'm unable to quantify this, but my suspicion is that the units that fail to send instructors may also have a lower headcount than those that are seen to be supporting the efforts of the Training Wing.

    The number of instructors is always a problem; friday night looks chaotic but in true TA fashion by saturday morning its all sorted.

    So, why should I give of my time, effort and enthusiasm to train recruits for units that have better things to do than ensure that their future soldiers are cared for?

    Why is it that the same units continually fail to send staff?

    Sure, some will have large numbers mobilised, but one unit I can think of ( and I won't say who ) have not sent an instructor for over a year.

    Look up...
     
  2. RTC RTWs should have a permenant cadre of instructors posted to them, we have, however, it's always gripped my sh*t that units send drivers up with the recruits that aren't part of the units recruit training team & stay over, if they did it would benefit both sides, we'd get more instructors, albeit temporary, they get the expierience(?) teaching larger numbers & therefore the unit gets a better understanding of how we work, what is expected what problems we face. It happens everynow & then but the good old MTD monsterraises it's head to scupper things.
     
  3. Fuck me FF, pushing for your 1000th post?

    The other thing is that Units seem loathe to let instructors with lots of skills and quals go to an RTC when they need those skills at the unit, with PTI's being a particular problem!
     
  4. Alternatively, we just might not have the qualified instructors to send???

    TB
     
  5. Thought about actually sending some on a course or two and getting some qualified?
    As a side issue. If you haven't got qualified instructors, how are your blokes passing their MATTS? Not from an MI Bn are you? :twisted:
     
  6. Is the recruit training team mainly infantry? Appears to be up here, they also appear to be poaching officers and recruits. So I guess its a two way thing
     
  7. Prae, hadn't thought about it........honest!
    Polar, 51(Scottish) Bde isn't, we have a mix of Inf, Arty, Bleeps, RLC et moi, the wing WO is RLC & both OC & 2ic are Inf.

    Much as I hate to say it, since there is fieldwork & Tactics involved the Inf guys(& Gal) are better suited, it saves me getting my boots dirty.

    We always mention to visiting instructors, when we get them, & we rate them we'll mention we're looking for more instructors, if they're interested...

    Top, they don't have to be qualified instructors, competent people will do, however, in the same vien as Baldrick66, how do you go about training your recruits between the w/es at the RTCs?
     
  8. This whole thread illustrates the fact that we still haven't managed to resource Phase 1 training properly.

    Fundamentally RTCs should be able to provide all the staff they need (i.e. they should be properly established) without expecting the sending units to send trainers as well. Whilst I understand the frustration of the RTCs over the lack of assistance, TopBadger's comment that units may not have any to send is highly relevant. In the errrr- "less military" capbadges, there is a strong tendency for a few individuals to be qualified in everything ( because they want to be) and the remainder to be more interested in whatever "less military" pursuit they specialise in. Hence, an RTC expecting a CBRN instructor might deprive a sub-unit of their BCD instructor, RMQ, PTI and a Pl Sgt.

    Does anyone else think that it might have been quite clever to base the regionalised training on the existing Inf Bn HQs (giving them a more meaningful role than just the smoke and mirrors of CCRF) rather than setting up new structures.
     
  9. There shouldn't need to be any Phase 1 training other than Weekend 1 of Phase 1A carried out in unit. So it shouldn't really matter.
     
  10. The funding issues of RTC's seem to vary greatly from location to location. From my understanding 160 seem to lead the game as regards to having the RTW fully manned, without having to resource instructors from outside. 143 and 43 Seem to be in pretty much the same situation except outside instructors come from their STW's.
    As we've disccused in several posts, until RTC's are taken away from Brigade Control and managed and funded centrally nothing will change. Funding and policy will depend on each change in the local COC and will differ for each Brigade.
     
  11. Too true i'm afraid. our unit has a handful of people with a lot of quals, but they can't make every weekend, and yes, often they're already in a time demanding role (Tp Sgt, etc). I'm not high enough in the food chain to make JNCO's do courses, and i don't think forcing people to do quals they don't want is particularly healthy in any case. Besides, priority for us signallers is always trade... otherwise we'd fill with LCpls and stagnate and die. It seems we're already struggling to get people ready for Tp Sgt roles as it is.

    That sounds dangerously like common sense... stop it!

    TB
     
  12. It is, but there are a fair few reps from eg. Engineers in particular.

    My main issue is with infantry companies that send blokes but not DS... I dont want to name names but some really do stand out as failing to support the efforts of other blokes to train *their* recruits.

    There is the side issue of lack of preparation back at unit; simple things like bergan packing; webbing which continually looks like its been assembled by a fat midget; and the abysmal standard of weapon handling too often seen...
     
  13. [quote="Bravo_Bravo]
    There is the side issue of lack of preparation back at unit; simple things like bergan packing; webbing which continually looks like its been assembled by a fat midget; and the abysmal standard of weapon handling too often seen...[/quote]

    The only thing they should have done "in unit" is Weekend 1. Everything else is down to RTC or ATR - which includes abysmal weapon handling !
     
  14. Nope; there is no kit packing lesson on the CSMR (TA). Nor is there a lesson on assembling webbing.

    What do units do with their recruits on drill nights?

    There can be a gap of two months between passsing WHTs and firing live; if you expect a recruit to remember everything that they where taught about the rifle two months previously, we'll have to differ...
     
  15. The only thing they should have done "in unit" is Weekend 1. Everything else is down to RTC or ATR - which includes abysmal weapon handling ![/quote]

    Seconded, they shouldn't touch a rifle until RTC!

    We do cover webbing and bergan packing at our place though.

    TB