Why should I pay for Old Age Social Care

if I remember correctly the annual pension increase was based on CPI which this year is going to be very high so the pension increase would have been astronomical and would appear very generous compared to the young who also suffered during Covid and lockdowns etc plus cant afford to rent or buy.

The triple lock literally locked the govt into that situation and I suspect that they have judged that they have to balance the shouty young/potential strike action and worse against the old and bold

- the debt burden the country is now in requires some firm handling and I highly suspect that there will be many other 'stealth' taxes and cuts being quietly rolled out. the trouble is, what do you do? despite what the socialists and Nicola sturgeon say , there is no such thing as free money and that debt just rolls onto our children and grandchildren

Fair comment but you didn't hear my generation whinge and moan about us picking up the tab for two world wars and countless other small wars during the last century.

Perhaps if kids were allowed to learn British history instead of everyone else's.

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if I remember correctly the annual pension increase was based on CPI which this year is going to be very high so the pension increase would have been astronomical and would appear very generous compared to the young who also suffered during Covid and lockdowns etc plus cant afford to rent or buy.

The triple lock literally locked the govt into that situation and I suspect that they have judged that they have to balance the shouty young/potential strike action and worse against the old and bold

- the debt burden the country is now in requires some firm handling and I highly suspect that there will be many other 'stealth' taxes and cuts being quietly rolled out. the trouble is, what do you do? despite what the socialists and Nicola sturgeon say , there is no such thing as free money and that debt just rolls onto our children and grandchildren
I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed. The last released figure for CPI was for July 2021 and it was sitting at 2.1%, 0.3% less than for June. Pensions are based on CPI in September each year and that is likely to be around the 2.0% mark also. It looks like the pension rises will be at 2.5% then, as average wage increases have been discarded as a measure for 2021, due to the statistics being erroneous.
 
if I remember correctly the annual pension increase was based on CPI which this year is going to be very high so the pension increase would have been astronomical and would appear very generous compared to the young who also suffered during Covid and lockdowns etc plus cant afford to rent or buy.

The triple lock literally locked the govt into that situation and I suspect that they have judged that they have to balance the shouty young/potential strike action and worse against the old and bold

- the debt burden the country is now in requires some firm handling and I highly suspect that there will be many other 'stealth' taxes and cuts being quietly rolled out. the trouble is, what do you do? despite what the socialists and Nicola sturgeon say , there is no such thing as free money and that debt just rolls onto our children and grandchildren

For Sturgeon there is free money, the more the hate the English the more money Westminster sends them
 
Ive not read the remainder of this thread as my other half has worked in Dementia Home for the past 6 years and if it wasnt because she was on good money (a rarity!) she would of left. But this comment is so true. This was what her previous home was like and is still running, she left because of all the poor conditions.
1. All homes are effing expensive. Easily for nursing/residential around £1800 per week.
2. The smell when you go around certain floors and rooms is overpowering, and its not Yankee Candles.
3. Male patients who half the time know exactly what they are doing walking around naked or going into female rooms basically being pests.
4. Relatives, who because they pay privately , dont know half of what their kin get up to. The home worried about losing them to another home, let them dicate how their relatives (who they may visit once a month) should be looked after to the detriment of others and the care staff. Point 3 above, prime example in that a certain male who constantly walks into female patients rooms (who dont know what day it is) should be within a male wing but because the wife says "i would prefer he gets female company as i cant always visit (last visit 3 months ago!), i want him on the mixed wing".
5. Patients having their pads (think adult nappies!) changed after being in them for hours but not washed, hence bed sores with a lot of the patients.
6. Employing young "carers" who struggle to make tea and coffee to look after needs of dementia patients.
7. Male and female patients who will lash out at carers causing bruising etc. Reported but all ignored by Management who dont want to lose the revenue...."oh dont be silly, my Alfred wouldnt hurt a fly. But i will have a word with him when i visit in 4 weeks time"! They put them in the homes because they cant or dont want to cope.
8. Lazy nurses who as part of the shift wont lift a finger to help carers when undermanned which happens a lot. Most actually are very poor and usually watch TV all shift or sleep.

Could go on but top tip...unless you are lucky, most homes are like this and worse.
1. We're the cheapest in our area; unfortunately, our wages reflect that.
2. We employ cleaners. If accidents happen outside their hours, we do it.
3. Half the time... Had any sort of cognitive ability assessments been made before this observation? Our wanderers are monitored and led away from vulnerable residents.
4. It's our job to care for these behavioural challenges with the best possible outcome for all, including not distressing relatives.
5. Regular pad rounds, washes during changes. Required and audited.
Bed sores are caused by pressure in residents who are vulnerable, particularly those unable to change position. So we do this for them, regularly, and record position and time.
6. Of course we employ young staff, and train them. We all start at the beginning.
7. And where else would you put them? Psychogeriatritians do their (most commendable) best, but behavioural management is no longer permissible to the extent of full sedation and restraint in a Buxton Chair (q.v.).
8. Qualified staff never do enough, do they?
I thought so as a student, training on the wards, until I qualified myself and found out with an extremely steep learning curve. In my first English venue no care assistant so much as twitched until I had completed the medicine round, leaving me as the only person working in the building. This I remedied.

To think I could have known everything without training, or taken a job with better rewards and public image.
But I didn't. Tell me to my face how rewarding I must find my job, or alternatively how crap I am (especially not working in the GIG or NHS) and watch my daughter erupt into a violent rant about how her beloved father has had his time with her shortened both short term (staff shortage leading to unwanted extra hours) and long (life expectancy shortened by stressful working conditions).

I'll end here rather than risk ROPs.
 
A documentary several years ago centered on an american widowed pensioner who did not want to languish in an old folks home costing considerably more per week than a cabin on a cruise ship, she sold her house and now that is where she now lives.

In the 2000's, the parents of a friend of mine bounced around living in all inclusive resorts. They reckoned that it cost them about the same as living in the UK.
 
Tell local Councils that they must provide the care directly. They should own the homes and run them using directly employed staff.

We end up with a decent dependable and accountable care industry and the people who do the care work get a decent living from their hard work.

What’s not to like?!

Closed shops, nepotism, waste, corruption, abuse, decline, neglect and Diversity & Inclusion Directors spunking dwindling funds on rainbow-flavoured irrelevancies.
 
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watch my daughter erupt into a violent rant about how her beloved father has had his time with her shortened both short term (staff shortage leading to unwanted extra hours) and long (life expectancy shortened by stressful working conditions).

It would seem you need someone like Alice Thompson (who now has lots of money) the only drawback being the fact she has most likely ruined employment for a lot of women in the future.
 
It would seem you need someone like Alice Thompson (who now has lots of money) the only drawback being the fact she has most likely ruined employment for a lot of women in the future.
I have no idea who she is.
What I can say is that when I tried to get everyone interested in joining a union few could be bothered.
 

ancienturion

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I have no idea who she is.
What I can say is that when I tried to get everyone interested in joining a union few could be bothered.

to permanently cut short her working hours so she could collect her daughter from nursery. Alice Thompson brought a claim against Manors, an estate agency, because it refused her request
 
I have no idea who she is.
What I can say is that when I tried to get everyone interested in joining a union few could be bothered.


The tribunal found that the director of the Manors estate agency, Paul Sellar, had moved a staff trip to New York from November to August so Ms Thompson could fly in when pregnant, and there were checks to see when the latest was that she could fly.

Seems unlikely that the boss is a misogynist or whatever from that. You only have the right to have flexible working "considered" and she was told no and sued.
 

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Seems unlikely that the boss is a misogynist or whatever from that.
Indeed. I’m the stay at home parent (and sons carer) in my household. My wife’s career had a better upside then my own and seeing as I’m the driver in the family it was easiest this way.

Perhaps I should have gone to tribunal when my old boss laughed me out of the office when I asked if I could change to a home worker.
Seems to me it’s just a case of the boss not wanting that much disruption.

Obviously there may be more to the story than I’ve just read/understood .
 
A documentary several years ago centered on an american widowed pensioner who did not want to languish in an old folks home costing considerably more per week than a cabin on a cruise ship, she sold her house and now that is where she now lives. When the ship docks for maintenance and refurbishment, she is transferd to another ship in the same line. She has all her meals cooked, cabin cleaned and bed made, medical staff on board, the use of all the ships facilities and clothes laundered. As she is a permanent resident, she has been allowed to personalize her cabin with her treasured possessions. As she comments " All at a fraction of the cost of a care home, and i get to see the world, and meet interesting people"....something to think about. ;)
Are the crew wiping her arrse etc?
 
Closed shops, nepotism, waste, corruption, abuse, decline, neglect and Diversity & Inclusion Directors spunking dwindling funds on rainbow-flavoured irrelevancies.
Load of cobblers. This is the millennium age now. Not the seventies and eighties.

People are being ripped off and the care provided by private companies on a for profit basis means the philosophy is on making maximum profit for minimum outlay.

It’s a recipe for sub standard service and hidden abuse.

The big joke about your post is that at least seven of the things you list here are all applicable to the behaviour of the rich and their influential Tory friends who want to keep their privileged lifestyle exclusive to themselves.

But of course you probably know that but your dogma means you don’t care as long as you bask in the company of your wealthy mates eh!
 
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Load of cobblers. This is the millennium age now. Not the seventies and eighties.

People are being ripped off and the care provided by private companies on a for profit basis means the philosophy is on making maximum profit for minimum outlay.

It’s a recipe for sub standard service and hidden abuse.

The big joke about your post is that at least seven of the things you list here are all applicable to the behaviour of the rich and their influential Tory friends who want to keep their privileged lifestyle exclusive to themselves.

But of course you probably know that but your dogma means you don’t care as long as you bask in the company of your wealthy mates eh!

The first rule of Council Bureaucracy Club is to protect the Council Bureaucracy Club.
 
The first rule of Council Bureaucracy Club is to protect the Council Bureaucracy Club.
More nonsense. Local authorities are primarily elected authorities. They legally have to recruit staff according to strict rules. If they break the rules, they can be sued.

You think they operate the same way that your local con club does.

They don’t!
 
More nonsense. Local authorities are primarily elected authorities. They legally have to recruit staff according to strict rules. If they break the rules, they can be sued.

You think they operate the same way that your local con club does.

They don’t!

Bluff 'n puff.
 
Ive not read the remainder of this thread as my other half has worked in Dementia Home for the past 6 years and if it wasnt because she was on good money (a rarity!) she would of left. But this comment is so true. This was what her previous home was like and is still running, she left because of all the poor conditions.
1. All homes are effing expensive. Easily for nursing/residential around £1800 per week.
2. The smell when you go around certain floors and rooms is overpowering, and its not Yankee Candles.
3. Male patients who half the time know exactly what they are doing walking around naked or going into female rooms basically being pests.
4. Relatives, who because they pay privately , dont know half of what their kin get up to. The home worried about losing them to another home, let them dicate how their relatives (who they may visit once a month) should be looked after to the detriment of others and the care staff. Point 3 above, prime example in that a certain male who constantly walks into female patients rooms (who dont know what day it is) should be within a male wing but because the wife says "i would prefer he gets female company as i cant always visit (last visit 3 months ago!), i want him on the mixed wing".
5. Patients having their pads (think adult nappies!) changed after being in them for hours but not washed, hence bed sores with a lot of the patients.
6. Employing young "carers" who struggle to make tea and coffee to look after needs of dementia patients.
7. Male and female patients who will lash out at carers causing bruising etc. Reported but all ignored by Management who dont want to lose the revenue...."oh dont be silly, my Alfred wouldnt hurt a fly. But i will have a word with him when i visit in 4 weeks time"! They put them in the homes because they cant or dont want to cope.
8. Lazy nurses who as part of the shift wont lift a finger to help carers when undermanned which happens a lot. Most actually are very poor and usually watch TV all shift or sleep.

Could go on but top tip...unless you are lucky, most homes are like this and worse.
A woman we know had her husband in a care home. He was doubly incontinent, and half the size of him, so she couldn't cope.
She complained to their head office about the filthy conditions and poor staff etc etc.
The home was consequently marked down so the staff lost their monthly bonus. The manager rang our friend several times to persuade her to withdraw her complaints, so the staff could reclaim their bonus. Our friend suggested that sorting out the staff and the cleaning would be a better solution. Thankfully her husband died a few months later.
 
I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed. The last released figure for CPI was for July 2021 and it was sitting at 2.1%, 0.3% less than for June. Pensions are based on CPI in September each year and that is likely to be around the 2.0% mark also. It looks like the pension rises will be at 2.5% then, as average wage increases have been discarded as a measure for 2021, due to the statistics being erroneous.
I know... replying to yourself and all that...However:

I have just seen the CPI figure for August 2021 was 3.2%. On that basis, pension increases will be better if it holds up into September, or even rises.
 
I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed. The last released figure for CPI was for July 2021 and it was sitting at 2.1%, 0.3% less than for June. Pensions are based on CPI in September each year and that is likely to be around the 2.0% mark also. It looks like the pension rises will be at 2.5% then, as average wage increases have been discarded as a measure for 2021, due to the statistics being erroneous.

from todays paper - CPI monthly rate hit 3.2% - i know its the 12 month average that counts for pensions but the govts concern is that even a small increase adds to the covid debt mountain - i'm not saying its right or wrong, merely pointing out that no matter who is in power the debt and interest mountain will necessitate harsh measures. the argument, as always, is how you deal with it - socialists love debt but conservatives prefer to live within their means


Inflation also poses a huge threat to the government, which is borrowing hundreds of billions of pounds during the crisis and could face higher interest payments for the UK's £2.1trillion debt mountain.
 

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