Why not three-month deployments

#1
For Infantry?

I know 4 PARA can arrange this, why not the rest of us?

Looks UP...
 

RP578

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#2
Well there was a recent two-monther to Kosovo as IRs for 2 RIFLES. Unfortunately we only got the word a week before the reporting date to RTMC. A pity as it would have been a perfect tour for many TA bods who just can't manage to do longer tours.

Question for those who've done 3 month tours, how exactly does this work i.e. do you job share? e.g. Rfn A does the first 3 months and Rfn B does the second etc. I met a 21 SAS chap in Iraq who did exactly that, but thought that his unit's fairly unique status made that possible.

If that is the best pattern to use, I guess 2 x TA pers would be needed for every bayonet required and it might become incumbent of the sending units to provide the beat up training for the second wave of deployments. Perhaps formed units by TA Bns would be the best place to do this?
 
#3
RP578 said:
for every bayonet required ?
GOOD GOD MAN SEE ME AFTER THE BRIEF FRIDAY YOUR HAT MY DESK harrumph cough splutter
 
#5
The Fingal tours for TA were 3 months. Seemed to work well. Ours was the last and we were asked in theatre to extend for a month to ease the burden on the Gurkhas before the Green Howards BG arrived.
As I remember the TA Coys (-) just replaced each other in turn, fitting into the orbat of the parent unit, (2RGR in our case).
The only downside to this would be that you would still require the same length of build up training regardless of the time spent in theatre.
 
#6
Understood, but six months way from my employer could be "doable", a year would be challenged.
 
#7
if you know the right people, and are part of the right arm then there are units which will take young officers for 1, 3 or 6 months. iraq only though.
 
#8
Some AMS trades only do 3 months, ODPs, Radiographers, Biomed Scientists, A&E nurses, ITU nurses etc unless they volunteer to do 6 months.
 
#9
Academic; I'm neither young, nor an Officer....
 

The_Duke

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#10
For the 4 Para soldiers on Herrick at the moment, there were two options:

1. Full 6 month deployed tour. 3 day RTMC, 3 week Bn build up, full reg Bn build up, deployment, usual POTL. Total around 11 months.

2. 3 Months tour. Second half of tour only, full RTMC, 2 week Bn build up, OPTAG and out. Total tour time inc POTL around 6 months.

If you wanted to be sure of being a rifleman in the forward sections (if appropriate), you needed to do option 1. If you took option 2, then you would fit in wherever you were needed, and many ended up in other roles. Still essential and frequently very high risk, but rifle Pl not guaranteed.
 
#11
The_Duke said:
For the 4 Para soldiers on Herrick at the moment, there were two options:

1. Full 6 month deployed tour. 3 day RTMC, 3 week Bn build up, full reg Bn build up, deployment, usual POTL. Total around 11 months.

2. 3 Months tour. Second half of tour only, full RTMC, 2 week Bn build up, OPTAG and out. Total tour time inc POTL around 6 months.

If you wanted to be sure of being a rifleman in the forward sections (if appropriate), you needed to do option 1. If you took option 2, then you would fit in wherever you were needed, and many ended up in other roles. Still essential and frequently very high risk, but rifle Pl not guaranteed.
Oh for that sort of mentality to be demonstrated by the rest of the army, in soooooooooooooo many different ways.

msr
 
#13
When i worked at RTMC, I mobilised a bloke (maj from CVHQ - IIRC) who went to Herrick for 2 weeks to cover someone else going on leave.

Total length of tour - 4 weeks... so it can be done.
 

The_Duke

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#14
Both options open across the board. Currently 2 x Lt Col (late 4 Para), 2 x Maj, 2 x Lt out there, over both options.

I am not sure on SNCOs - most of them did Herrick 4 or Telic 7 and are currently time barred under RFA 96.
 

RP578

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#15
msr said:
Oh for that sort of mentality to be demonstrated by the rest of the army, in soooooooooooooo many different ways.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I was with 2 PARA on Telic 7 and saw first hand how seamlessly (almost) the relationship between the Regiment's reservists and regular unit was. I remembered thinking then that this was, or at least should be, the future for the TA Infantry. I think the rest of us are getting there, but truth be told (and I get no pleasure in writing this) I think the PARAs are still way ahead of the rest of us.
 
#16
i went to kosovo in 99/2000 on a 3 month tour 4.5 months total, cant say i prefered it to the 6 month i did on telic 4. this is mainly due to the fact that when we got to theatre we joined a unit that had only 8 weeks left to push, they had already been there 4 months and were settled, looking forward to going home. by the time we were getting settled in and the host unit getting to know us, they'ed packed up and gone. the new unit who took over from them didnt want to know us as they didnt know who were were and only had a couple/few weeks left, hence we became non operational and did fook all but sunbathe. as for telic 4 were with our host unit straight from the start with all the pre tour training and the whole shebang. this went a lot better fitted in from the start and got on with it. i recommend doing the whole tour if you can.
 

ugly

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#17
I recall A R Sigs Unit deploying for a 6 week camp to Basra to install a Fibre comms set up! It can be done but actually used another 6 weeks of Optag etc!
 
#18
There was a student at Hull University who somehow managed to get on a three month tour during his summer holiday. When he got back the university newspaper ran a four page spread on his time in Basra.
 
#19
ugly said:
I recall A R Sigs Unit deploying for a 6 week camp to Basra to install a Fibre comms set up! It can be done but actually used another 6 weeks of Optag etc!
They are a specialist unit. BT Troop, they do short tours all the time.
 

ugly

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#20
Thats right but its certainly a model which could be used!
 

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